Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is LIVE! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
[3.5] Uncanny Dodge = Immune to Feints?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 1066848" data-attributes="member: 892"><p>Hmmm....we seem to have left feinting behind. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Ok, so what about the guy who ignores, turns back on, closes eyes?</p><p></p><p>Well, I'd say feints are still possible (you could feint with sounds, etc.)</p><p></p><p>But what about flanking? there seems to be two interpretations that people want the spirit of the rules to have.</p><p></p><p>a) Some way for a person in the middle to ignore a weak opponent and concentrate defending vs. a stronger one.</p><p></p><p>b) Some way to avoid silliness of someone fighting better by closing his eyes.</p><p></p><p>I guess one question would be, does an invisible character in meelee with you get an Aoo if you do something risky in combat? (Like, cast a spell without casting defensively). I certainly don't want a wizard to improve his odds of getting a spell off by closing his eyes.</p><p></p><p>Following that idea, then closing one's eyes, ignoring a person, etc., could avoid a gaze attack, but doesn't protect one from other attacks from that opponent. One is still threatened. </p><p></p><p>Back to uncanny dodge. The "don't lose dex bonus due to opponents being invis." leads to interesting situations.</p><p></p><p>First, the high level rogue, Joe Fighter, and the barbarian being flanked. Can the barbarian ignore Joe Fighter in order to focus attention on the high-level rogue and avoid sneak attacks from said rogue? If I follow the Aoo idea above, then Joe Fighter still threatens the barbarian, so the barbarian is still subject to the sneak attack from the high-level rogue.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, if the barbarian is between two high-level rogues, then he should still be subject to sneak attacks, if the Aoo idea holds, even if the rogues are not seen by virtue of the barbarian closing his eyes.</p><p></p><p>I admit that this may not follow the letter of the rules. And there is room for the intuition that one should be able to ignore a weak opponent to avoid sneak attacks by the stronger one. So all of this is IMHO, YMMV, etc.</p><p></p><p>Something to resolve in 4.0? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 1066848, member: 892"] Hmmm....we seem to have left feinting behind. :) Ok, so what about the guy who ignores, turns back on, closes eyes? Well, I'd say feints are still possible (you could feint with sounds, etc.) But what about flanking? there seems to be two interpretations that people want the spirit of the rules to have. a) Some way for a person in the middle to ignore a weak opponent and concentrate defending vs. a stronger one. b) Some way to avoid silliness of someone fighting better by closing his eyes. I guess one question would be, does an invisible character in meelee with you get an Aoo if you do something risky in combat? (Like, cast a spell without casting defensively). I certainly don't want a wizard to improve his odds of getting a spell off by closing his eyes. Following that idea, then closing one's eyes, ignoring a person, etc., could avoid a gaze attack, but doesn't protect one from other attacks from that opponent. One is still threatened. Back to uncanny dodge. The "don't lose dex bonus due to opponents being invis." leads to interesting situations. First, the high level rogue, Joe Fighter, and the barbarian being flanked. Can the barbarian ignore Joe Fighter in order to focus attention on the high-level rogue and avoid sneak attacks from said rogue? If I follow the Aoo idea above, then Joe Fighter still threatens the barbarian, so the barbarian is still subject to the sneak attack from the high-level rogue. Similarly, if the barbarian is between two high-level rogues, then he should still be subject to sneak attacks, if the Aoo idea holds, even if the rogues are not seen by virtue of the barbarian closing his eyes. I admit that this may not follow the letter of the rules. And there is room for the intuition that one should be able to ignore a weak opponent to avoid sneak attacks by the stronger one. So all of this is IMHO, YMMV, etc. Something to resolve in 4.0? :) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
[3.5] Uncanny Dodge = Immune to Feints?
Top