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<blockquote data-quote="enrious" data-source="post: 5666747" data-attributes="member: 2126"><p>I think from my perspective (I too prefer to figure out my own penalty/bonus) is that in play, I saw way too many cases where people aren't as fast/good as I/others are at doing the calculating, especially when the onus was on them because it was their turn. Thus, they'd take the feat because it was expected of them but they'd almost never use it. And the few times they did, things came to a stop while they weighed options, calculated the numbers, etc. </p><p></p><p>On the other hand, I've seen just about everyone who takes it use it in just about every combat because the numbers are easy and there's only one decision (to use or not use it) rather than two (that plus how much) - thus, I'd say it's better than before, because the best feat in the world that is never used is worse than a mediocre one that's used most of the time.</p><p></p><p>At least in my experience...as a player, I used it a lot in 3.5, but as a DM, whatever makes my players happy makes me happy. As long as one of he PCs is sacrificed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Heh, get outta my head <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been waiting for something like 11 years to see a "fixed" version of polymorph.</p><p></p><p>I suspect I'll be waiting another 11.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I wish spot+listen had been notice and search remained separate and I agree about bards/rogues - especially with UC, ninjas are better rogues than rogues.</p><p></p><p>And in my games, I've had to institute some niche protections which frankly should be in the books. </p><p></p><p>What's funny to me, speaking of that review, is that I think at lot of the tone is misplaced with how the core rulebook playtest went down (because of the announced playtest goals).</p><p></p><p>Given how the public playtests for firearms (there was none), the gunslinger (blah blah blah not listening), ninja & samurai (our way or the highway) turned out, now that tone is more appropriate than ever, IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="enrious, post: 5666747, member: 2126"] I think from my perspective (I too prefer to figure out my own penalty/bonus) is that in play, I saw way too many cases where people aren't as fast/good as I/others are at doing the calculating, especially when the onus was on them because it was their turn. Thus, they'd take the feat because it was expected of them but they'd almost never use it. And the few times they did, things came to a stop while they weighed options, calculated the numbers, etc. On the other hand, I've seen just about everyone who takes it use it in just about every combat because the numbers are easy and there's only one decision (to use or not use it) rather than two (that plus how much) - thus, I'd say it's better than before, because the best feat in the world that is never used is worse than a mediocre one that's used most of the time. At least in my experience...as a player, I used it a lot in 3.5, but as a DM, whatever makes my players happy makes me happy. As long as one of he PCs is sacrificed. Heh, get outta my head :) I've been waiting for something like 11 years to see a "fixed" version of polymorph. I suspect I'll be waiting another 11. Yeah, I wish spot+listen had been notice and search remained separate and I agree about bards/rogues - especially with UC, ninjas are better rogues than rogues. And in my games, I've had to institute some niche protections which frankly should be in the books. What's funny to me, speaking of that review, is that I think at lot of the tone is misplaced with how the core rulebook playtest went down (because of the announced playtest goals). Given how the public playtests for firearms (there was none), the gunslinger (blah blah blah not listening), ninja & samurai (our way or the highway) turned out, now that tone is more appropriate than ever, IMO. [/QUOTE]
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