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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 1477663" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>That's the same as saying that you don't need to have high int to become a wizard. Sure, you won't be able to use your wizard spells, but merely to take levels of wizards, you can be thick as a plank....</p><p></p><p>Tsk</p><p></p><p>Seeing that other classes (like the exotic weapon master) had a complete haul-over, it isn't far out at all</p><p></p><p>It might be quite common. But not almost every class needs +5 or +6 (and I might add that we're talking about +5, not +6). It's only for combat-oriented prestige classes, and even there, not every PrC has +5</p><p></p><p>Not really. Combat expertise is about tactics (you fight defensively rather than offensively, and the follow-up Feats are about special manouver), not about extraordinary skill with weapons. That's what BAB, weapon focus and weapon specialization (and the like) are for</p><p></p><p>But does the Bladesinger? Divine Champion? Bear Warrior? Cavalier? I could go on quite a long time listing combat-related PrC's and very little of them will use Ki</p><p></p><p>Your point? nano/bio-convergence is a real-world concept, too. </p><p></p><p>But both aren't encountered in everyday life. In fact, in middle-age Europe, which is what D&D is based on mostly, it was probably unheard-of. It's an Asian concept. So it doesn't show up often.</p><p></p><p></p><p>While most of those classes limit you to a certain type of weapons (lasher is for whips, master thrower is for thrown weapons etc) but will sometimes give you the possiblity to use all weapons of a certain group (all bows - not just composite longbow) the Kensei/Kensai/WM will give you complete freedom of what weapon, but you have to specify an exact weapon type - so short sword is short sword, and not "short bladed weapons".</p><p></p><p>I didn't say that every feature is unique. That is seldom. But the combination makes it pretty clear. </p><p>If I describe a raven, I'll probably use the words "black" and "bird", even though bird will also go for chickens ostriches, <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, and a myriad of other animal types, while a lot of animals are black, not just the raven. But using both will shorten the list significantly.</p><p> </p><p>The idea behind the rules change was that you won't get several abilities that all improve your crit range. An ability that does that goes against that rule.</p><p></p><p>Tsk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 1477663, member: 4134"] That's the same as saying that you don't need to have high int to become a wizard. Sure, you won't be able to use your wizard spells, but merely to take levels of wizards, you can be thick as a plank.... Tsk Seeing that other classes (like the exotic weapon master) had a complete haul-over, it isn't far out at all It might be quite common. But not almost every class needs +5 or +6 (and I might add that we're talking about +5, not +6). It's only for combat-oriented prestige classes, and even there, not every PrC has +5 Not really. Combat expertise is about tactics (you fight defensively rather than offensively, and the follow-up Feats are about special manouver), not about extraordinary skill with weapons. That's what BAB, weapon focus and weapon specialization (and the like) are for But does the Bladesinger? Divine Champion? Bear Warrior? Cavalier? I could go on quite a long time listing combat-related PrC's and very little of them will use Ki Your point? nano/bio-convergence is a real-world concept, too. But both aren't encountered in everyday life. In fact, in middle-age Europe, which is what D&D is based on mostly, it was probably unheard-of. It's an Asian concept. So it doesn't show up often. While most of those classes limit you to a certain type of weapons (lasher is for whips, master thrower is for thrown weapons etc) but will sometimes give you the possiblity to use all weapons of a certain group (all bows - not just composite longbow) the Kensei/Kensai/WM will give you complete freedom of what weapon, but you have to specify an exact weapon type - so short sword is short sword, and not "short bladed weapons". I didn't say that every feature is unique. That is seldom. But the combination makes it pretty clear. If I describe a raven, I'll probably use the words "black" and "bird", even though bird will also go for chickens ostriches, :):):):), and a myriad of other animal types, while a lot of animals are black, not just the raven. But using both will shorten the list significantly. The idea behind the rules change was that you won't get several abilities that all improve your crit range. An ability that does that goes against that rule. Tsk. [/QUOTE]
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