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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 890473" data-attributes="member: 4049">I agree with you.  While I like the idea that most Outsiders are seeing a better spread of power, this reflects that we are indeed seeing a drastic change beyond what was initially suggested.  If anything, what this reveals is that the CRs for Outsiders and apparently Undead were out-of-wack from the first MM.  I recall reading a comment from Monte Cook (why are we also referring to this guy? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />) wherein he stated that he felt the CRs for Outsiders were all too low and that he increased their HD to d10 rather than d8 in order to compensate.   Again, I agree with you.  The entire fight at the tail end of that great and already difficult fight would require intense revisions in order for it be balanced for four 15 - 16th level PCs.  We now know for certain (which I always suspected) that the Pit Fiend would be a CR 20 for 3.5; begs to ask the question what status the Astral Deva will now be.  Personally, I don't see a need to change that creature or the Planetar.  Hell, I don't see a reason to change the Solar either (it was already CR 19 and probably should have been over CR 20 in the first place).But, if they were looking for a better spread, this revision makes sense.  It's just that they weren't honest with their intent from the beginning, and that's very annoying.</blockquote>

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