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<blockquote data-quote="Simplicity" data-source="post: 658912" data-attributes="member: 1496">Very true.&nbsp; If I were to play the demons/devils like any PCs play their characters, then of course I'd use summon ability on the toughest guys.&nbsp; How many 16th level parties is a Pit Fiend going to run into on any given day anyways?&nbsp; It's not like slaughtering high-level adventure parties is going to be a daily occurance.&nbsp; Owing somebody a favor when there's a good chance you'll die otherwise is a pretty good choice.Think of how the PCs would play a similar situation...&quot;The red dragon lair is just up on the mountain.&nbsp; I can let you borrow this supreme amulet of fire resistance, but you'll owe me later.&quot;Does anybody actually run a party that would say &quot;No thanks&quot; here?Anyways...The main point I'm trying to make is not whether the party gets XP for these battles or how any sane demon/devil would attack.&nbsp; I'm just saying that the summon ability is nearly impossible to balance correctly for a party that you're going to run through a dungeon.&nbsp; If you have a Xth level party, you can't expect any encounter with a CR X demon/devil to be an appropriate level.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because there may be two of them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Simplicity, post: 658912, member: 1496"] Very true. If I were to play the demons/devils like any PCs play their characters, then of course I'd use summon ability on the toughest guys. How many 16th level parties is a Pit Fiend going to run into on any given day anyways? It's not like slaughtering high-level adventure parties is going to be a daily occurance. Owing somebody a favor when there's a good chance you'll die otherwise is a pretty good choice. Think of how the PCs would play a similar situation... "The red dragon lair is just up on the mountain. I can let you borrow this supreme amulet of fire resistance, but you'll owe me later." Does anybody actually run a party that would say "No thanks" here? Anyways... The main point I'm trying to make is not whether the party gets XP for these battles or how any sane demon/devil would attack. I'm just saying that the summon ability is nearly impossible to balance correctly for a party that you're going to run through a dungeon. If you have a Xth level party, you can't expect any encounter with a CR X demon/devil to be an appropriate level. Why? Because there may be two of them. [/QUOTE]

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