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<blockquote data-quote="HoboGod" data-source="post: 5251151" data-attributes="member: 90920"><p>I couldn't agree more. The rules lend themselves to multiple interpretations. I felt it was a major discovery that the revised description of Undead type lends itself to an interpretation where undead COULD be influenced by the intimidate skill. However, I felt somewhat slighted when people continued to deny that interpretation by repeatedly pointing to the original description. Not only did it feel like another interpretation could never be considered, it felt like anything I pointed out would be ignored for the wording that favors the opposing argument best.</p><p></p><p>I understand that near this point, I've gotten very argumentative, rigid, and stubborn in the way I'm arguing. I apologize. Yes, arguing from a scholarly stance hedges out people who don't debate in that way, but it's the only way I know how to argue that doesn't result in extreme bickering.</p><p> </p><p> An analogy, John writes in his blog, “apples taste disgusting.” Two years later, he writes in his blog, “applesauce is good with pumpkin pie.” Knowing that, I want to surprise John with some applesauce. Peter, who didn't know John wrote that, tells me John hates apples. I point out that John likes it with pumpkin pie. Peter says that he couldn't like it with pumpkin pie because he doesn't like apples. At this point, I can start acting childish and demand that I know John better than Peter or I can change the way I argue to a scholarly stance and tell Peter the source of my opinions. If Peter refuses to acknowledge what John wrote in his blog, I must either start acting childishness or remain scholarly and request Peter tell me why Peter's blog doesn't matter before accepting that John wouldn't like applesauce. Would you do differently?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HoboGod, post: 5251151, member: 90920"] I couldn't agree more. The rules lend themselves to multiple interpretations. I felt it was a major discovery that the revised description of Undead type lends itself to an interpretation where undead COULD be influenced by the intimidate skill. However, I felt somewhat slighted when people continued to deny that interpretation by repeatedly pointing to the original description. Not only did it feel like another interpretation could never be considered, it felt like anything I pointed out would be ignored for the wording that favors the opposing argument best. I understand that near this point, I've gotten very argumentative, rigid, and stubborn in the way I'm arguing. I apologize. Yes, arguing from a scholarly stance hedges out people who don't debate in that way, but it's the only way I know how to argue that doesn't result in extreme bickering. An analogy, John writes in his blog, “apples taste disgusting.” Two years later, he writes in his blog, “applesauce is good with pumpkin pie.” Knowing that, I want to surprise John with some applesauce. Peter, who didn't know John wrote that, tells me John hates apples. I point out that John likes it with pumpkin pie. Peter says that he couldn't like it with pumpkin pie because he doesn't like apples. At this point, I can start acting childish and demand that I know John better than Peter or I can change the way I argue to a scholarly stance and tell Peter the source of my opinions. If Peter refuses to acknowledge what John wrote in his blog, I must either start acting childishness or remain scholarly and request Peter tell me why Peter's blog doesn't matter before accepting that John wouldn't like applesauce. Would you do differently? [/QUOTE]
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