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<blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 6036387" data-attributes="member: 85158"><p>First of all, I would like to say that you are indeed correct on the Grease vs Disarm issue. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You never answered the original question though: Does the wizard get extra spells or scrolls if the fighter gets healing or potions?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>May I return to the original issue, which was me pointing out that SpC spells are not massively overpowered compared to core spells, and not about class balance? I'd be interested if you could draw up a list of SpC spells that you consider overpowered, and if any of those are low level spells as we seem to be in agreement that in core, there are many broken mid to high level spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because your eight years of real experience is contrary to that? Well, a lot of people on the CharOp boards do say that their experiences match up with their calculations, so I would say that there is room for disagreement here.</p><p></p><p>In my actual gaming experience, spells like Grease and Sleep (and Color Spray, Obscuring Mist, Mage Armor, Enlarge Person, Protection from Evil, and Ray of Enfeeblement if we want to be more extensive) are taken much more frequently than spells like Burning Hands and Shocking Grasp (and Chill Touch and Cause Fear) for combat purposes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Since when was this ever an issue being disputed?</p><p></p><p></p><p>To be honest, spellcaster imbalance generally shows up in mid to later levels, and even then if people know certain strategies. Have you ever had someone exploit Shrink Item or Magic Jar, for example? Just because it does not happen in your game does not mean that it does not happen at all, or cannot happen.</p><p></p><p>For example, I do not have skin cancer and do not know anyone who does. That being said, I'm pretty sure that it's a problem as not everyone has the same melanin count as I do.</p><p></p><p>A more relevant example would be using Planar Binding to call in one of the wish granting genies, obtain a hair, and then using Simulacrum to make a illusory duplicate of said genie which can grant wishes. A tamer example of Planar Binding abuse is to use Lesser Planar Binding in order to get a Nightmare, which has two 9th level spells as at-will spell-like abilities, astral projection and etherealness. Keep in mind that Lesser Planar Binding is available at level 9 for a wizard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dandu, post: 6036387, member: 85158"] First of all, I would like to say that you are indeed correct on the Grease vs Disarm issue. You never answered the original question though: Does the wizard get extra spells or scrolls if the fighter gets healing or potions? May I return to the original issue, which was me pointing out that SpC spells are not massively overpowered compared to core spells, and not about class balance? I'd be interested if you could draw up a list of SpC spells that you consider overpowered, and if any of those are low level spells as we seem to be in agreement that in core, there are many broken mid to high level spells. Because your eight years of real experience is contrary to that? Well, a lot of people on the CharOp boards do say that their experiences match up with their calculations, so I would say that there is room for disagreement here. In my actual gaming experience, spells like Grease and Sleep (and Color Spray, Obscuring Mist, Mage Armor, Enlarge Person, Protection from Evil, and Ray of Enfeeblement if we want to be more extensive) are taken much more frequently than spells like Burning Hands and Shocking Grasp (and Chill Touch and Cause Fear) for combat purposes. Since when was this ever an issue being disputed? To be honest, spellcaster imbalance generally shows up in mid to later levels, and even then if people know certain strategies. Have you ever had someone exploit Shrink Item or Magic Jar, for example? Just because it does not happen in your game does not mean that it does not happen at all, or cannot happen. For example, I do not have skin cancer and do not know anyone who does. That being said, I'm pretty sure that it's a problem as not everyone has the same melanin count as I do. A more relevant example would be using Planar Binding to call in one of the wish granting genies, obtain a hair, and then using Simulacrum to make a illusory duplicate of said genie which can grant wishes. A tamer example of Planar Binding abuse is to use Lesser Planar Binding in order to get a Nightmare, which has two 9th level spells as at-will spell-like abilities, astral projection and etherealness. Keep in mind that Lesser Planar Binding is available at level 9 for a wizard. [/QUOTE]
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