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<blockquote data-quote="Wyvernhand" data-source="post: 6037014" data-attributes="member: 97681"><p>I love how people rag on SpC and the MIC in the same breath, and complain about power creep. Spell Compendium gives to the haves. MIC, for the must part, gives to the have-nots. Before the MIC, the only people who got to really use their swift actions from the core classes was the casters via Quicken Spell. Everyone else pretty much just had to accept their lot in life and not use it. The MIC gives others things to do with their swift actions. Meaningful things like rerolling a botched attack roll, teleporting short distances to enable a full attack, or turning all attacks in a round into touch attacks. But they can't do all of them at once. Just like casters with quickened spells, there its an opportunity cost to each one. Strategy and timing. It gives the mundanes something to do with an otherwise unused action.</p><p></p><p>And the SpC isn't just reprints and it doesn't just boost full casters. Take a look at the ranger and paladin spell lists. Lots more buffs, including swift action buffs so that they don't have to stop fighting to use them. Less gimpy attack spells for a class with no CL and a casting start that is of tertiary concern AT BEST. So yeah, while full casters might get a10% bump in power vs the PHB, half casters get more like an 80% bump. And while casters might get a 10% boost in power for stuff in the MIC, non-casters get 100%.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wyvernhand, post: 6037014, member: 97681"] I love how people rag on SpC and the MIC in the same breath, and complain about power creep. Spell Compendium gives to the haves. MIC, for the must part, gives to the have-nots. Before the MIC, the only people who got to really use their swift actions from the core classes was the casters via Quicken Spell. Everyone else pretty much just had to accept their lot in life and not use it. The MIC gives others things to do with their swift actions. Meaningful things like rerolling a botched attack roll, teleporting short distances to enable a full attack, or turning all attacks in a round into touch attacks. But they can't do all of them at once. Just like casters with quickened spells, there its an opportunity cost to each one. Strategy and timing. It gives the mundanes something to do with an otherwise unused action. And the SpC isn't just reprints and it doesn't just boost full casters. Take a look at the ranger and paladin spell lists. Lots more buffs, including swift action buffs so that they don't have to stop fighting to use them. Less gimpy attack spells for a class with no CL and a casting start that is of tertiary concern AT BEST. So yeah, while full casters might get a10% bump in power vs the PHB, half casters get more like an 80% bump. And while casters might get a 10% boost in power for stuff in the MIC, non-casters get 100%. [/QUOTE]
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