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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5422251" data-attributes="member: 92511"><p>THERE! Right there! THAT is a a potential roadblock. THAT, right THERE, THAT'S where railroading begins....Not in this particular case, mind you. I'd say it began prior to this, but this thinking here...THIS is a core/root example of how railroading happens.</p><p></p><p>The PCs are <strong><em>"supposed to"</em></strong> do...what the PLAYERS decide their characters do.</p><p></p><p>That's how the game is played. If they don't...find another way to get them the hook...or DON'T...That's the DMs decision/power/job. Throw them a different hook...or don't. Let them wander around the town wondering why nothing's happening...and when the cosmos goes kablooey (or the BBEG gets 2 steps ahead of them before they notice)...they've only themselves to blame.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to seem unsympathetic. The monk/pally's reactions are unacceptable and, as noted here by others remarkably "immature" and<em> I </em>certainly wouldn't tolerate that behavior or language at my table.</p><p></p><p>BUT, if he wanted to "have fun stormin' the castle" (a ridiculous and inappropriate response to the situation, I'll grant you) then that's what he should have been able to do. As noted, he'd get himself arrested (if not killed) and possibly the entire party in trouble for his rashness.</p><p></p><p>That's not <em>YOUR </em>problem or decision to make...that's the party's! YOUR problem is to make sure the mediator and city guard react as makes sense to this "wild holy man gone mad" at the front gate.</p><p></p><p>Absolutely, the destruction of the cathedral would and should have several consequences...and possibly dire ones.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then they attack it...and I'll agree that construct should NOT have pulled its punches. Again, if the party runs headlong into a TPK without the wisdom to know when to "run away" or "back off" or "talk first/hit later" then they get what they get. THEY decided...and maybe when they're rolling their next characters...they'll be a bit more careful in the future.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Most party's do, my friend. Welcome to DMing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that's not good. And, as many have rightly suggested, clear that air before sitting for another game. Out of game, you need a convo with your players for what they want out of the game. OBviously, what the monk-pally wants is NOT the game you're playing...and vice versa. So, get everyone on the same page (if possilbe) and rally forth...</p><p></p><p>(...and if he makes another "gay" comment like that, give him a sturdy boot to the curb for me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Good luck and happy gaming.</p><p>--Steel Dragons</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5422251, member: 92511"] THERE! Right there! THAT is a a potential roadblock. THAT, right THERE, THAT'S where railroading begins....Not in this particular case, mind you. I'd say it began prior to this, but this thinking here...THIS is a core/root example of how railroading happens. The PCs are [B][I]"supposed to"[/I][/B] do...what the PLAYERS decide their characters do. That's how the game is played. If they don't...find another way to get them the hook...or DON'T...That's the DMs decision/power/job. Throw them a different hook...or don't. Let them wander around the town wondering why nothing's happening...and when the cosmos goes kablooey (or the BBEG gets 2 steps ahead of them before they notice)...they've only themselves to blame. I don't want to seem unsympathetic. The monk/pally's reactions are unacceptable and, as noted here by others remarkably "immature" and[I] I [/I]certainly wouldn't tolerate that behavior or language at my table. BUT, if he wanted to "have fun stormin' the castle" (a ridiculous and inappropriate response to the situation, I'll grant you) then that's what he should have been able to do. As noted, he'd get himself arrested (if not killed) and possibly the entire party in trouble for his rashness. That's not [I]YOUR [/I]problem or decision to make...that's the party's! YOUR problem is to make sure the mediator and city guard react as makes sense to this "wild holy man gone mad" at the front gate. Absolutely, the destruction of the cathedral would and should have several consequences...and possibly dire ones. Then they attack it...and I'll agree that construct should NOT have pulled its punches. Again, if the party runs headlong into a TPK without the wisdom to know when to "run away" or "back off" or "talk first/hit later" then they get what they get. THEY decided...and maybe when they're rolling their next characters...they'll be a bit more careful in the future. Most party's do, my friend. Welcome to DMing. Well, that's not good. And, as many have rightly suggested, clear that air before sitting for another game. Out of game, you need a convo with your players for what they want out of the game. OBviously, what the monk-pally wants is NOT the game you're playing...and vice versa. So, get everyone on the same page (if possilbe) and rally forth... (...and if he makes another "gay" comment like that, give him a sturdy boot to the curb for me. ;) Good luck and happy gaming. --Steel Dragons [/QUOTE]
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