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<blockquote data-quote="Sorrowdusk" data-source="post: 5422902" data-attributes="member: 96342"><p>The World is ALIVE things happen whether the PCs are there or not. I believe you should set a pace, and have time sensitive events as well as windows of opportunity. The BBEG isnt just sitting around he's actually doing stuff, and is going to reach his goal unless the PCs actions or other events slow him down or force him to take a different course of action. As far as hooks/clues/leads I'll agree with TheAlexandrian's node based design, +1 to BoE for linking to him. If the PCs refuse/miss/ignore a clue or what have you, there is another one-AND they dont need to find or see everything to reach a conclusion.</p><p> </p><p>Let me also just throw this out randomly, this was originally posted on ENworld, but has since been hosted here on dungeon design-but this doesnt just apply to dank corridors, but to even outdoors or various related areas. Its all about player choice, and to exploration, the PCs sometimes have to be able to miss things.</p><p><a href="http://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/dnd/dungeonmaps.html" target="_blank">Dungeon Mapping</a></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Just a random note here really, just my personal thought-its not the crux of whats being going on with this campaign of course. As for the "gay construct" comment, what I WILL SAY-is that if anything makes you (The DM) or your players uncomfortable, or you dont like it youserlf-absolutely. <em>However </em>I just feel to mention that <em>myself</em>, were it my table, <em>I</em> would not automatically "boot" people to the curb/corner (as it has been said many times, in various forms) for a single incident. And multiple incidents? It may speak to the maturity of a player, but it does matter with whom you are playing. Some people swear at their table, and its the kind of milieu you are gaming with. </p><p> </p><p>I myself grew up hearing it tossed around publically through basically all of highschool (<em>you know the maturity of highschool</em>), and college , and of course just the internet (<em>you understand the maturity of the internet</em>) -that it basically doesnt register to me. It ranks on the level of "retarted" in relation to people with learning disabilities. (Albeit-there's a difference for me when using to describe some<em>thing</em> versus some<em>body</em>.)</p><p> </p><p>Hell Katy, Perry has a song about-albeit more tongue in cheek than anything, people have written worse verse (like Buju Banton). (<em>You know mass media</em>.)</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_So_Gay" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_So_Gay</span></a></p><p> </p><p>By comparison, I find a word like f----t offensive, I just do. For me its a much stronger word, and I (a black man) would equate it the N word (but even thats complicated). While I have actually witnessed <em>both</em> used as <em>insult</em> by both old people (like my <em>parents</em>, or my <em>grandparents</em>) and young people (just people I know) <em>-I-</em> <strong>dont</strong> do that. But I dont <em>necessarily</em> raise objection or call people out for it unless I know its actively offending people, or offending me.</p><p> </p><p>The table is supposed to be a comfortable gaming enviroment for everyone. If something your players are doing offends your sensibilities, or that of others at your table, it should <strong>definitely</strong> change. I wouldnt boot him without letting him know how you feel about it first. Your table (regardless of whether its actually at your home or not) is your demesne and people will abide by whatever rules or sensibilities you have to keep things fun for you and everyone. Even if by some chance, all your players were fine with the Monk/Paladin, if <u>YOU</u> are not you should talk to everyone and vice versa should you unknowingly offend them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sorrowdusk, post: 5422902, member: 96342"] The World is ALIVE things happen whether the PCs are there or not. I believe you should set a pace, and have time sensitive events as well as windows of opportunity. The BBEG isnt just sitting around he's actually doing stuff, and is going to reach his goal unless the PCs actions or other events slow him down or force him to take a different course of action. As far as hooks/clues/leads I'll agree with TheAlexandrian's node based design, +1 to BoE for linking to him. If the PCs refuse/miss/ignore a clue or what have you, there is another one-AND they dont need to find or see everything to reach a conclusion. Let me also just throw this out randomly, this was originally posted on ENworld, but has since been hosted here on dungeon design-but this doesnt just apply to dank corridors, but to even outdoors or various related areas. Its all about player choice, and to exploration, the PCs sometimes have to be able to miss things. [url=http://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/dnd/dungeonmaps.html]Dungeon Mapping[/url] Just a random note here really, just my personal thought-its not the crux of whats being going on with this campaign of course. As for the "gay construct" comment, what I WILL SAY-is that if anything makes you (The DM) or your players uncomfortable, or you dont like it youserlf-absolutely. [I]However [/I]I just feel to mention that [I]myself[/I], were it my table, [I]I[/I] would not automatically "boot" people to the curb/corner (as it has been said many times, in various forms) for a single incident. And multiple incidents? It may speak to the maturity of a player, but it does matter with whom you are playing. Some people swear at their table, and its the kind of milieu you are gaming with. I myself grew up hearing it tossed around publically through basically all of highschool ([I]you know the maturity of highschool[/I]), and college , and of course just the internet ([I]you understand the maturity of the internet[/I]) -that it basically doesnt register to me. It ranks on the level of "retarted" in relation to people with learning disabilities. (Albeit-there's a difference for me when using to describe some[I]thing[/I] versus some[I]body[/I].) Hell Katy, Perry has a song about-albeit more tongue in cheek than anything, people have written worse verse (like Buju Banton). ([I]You know mass media[/I].) [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_So_Gay"][COLOR=#800080]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_So_Gay[/COLOR][/URL] By comparison, I find a word like f----t offensive, I just do. For me its a much stronger word, and I (a black man) would equate it the N word (but even thats complicated). While I have actually witnessed [I]both[/I] used as [I]insult[/I] by both old people (like my [I]parents[/I], or my [I]grandparents[/I]) and young people (just people I know) [I]-I-[/I] [B]dont[/B] do that. But I dont [I]necessarily[/I] raise objection or call people out for it unless I know its actively offending people, or offending me. The table is supposed to be a comfortable gaming enviroment for everyone. If something your players are doing offends your sensibilities, or that of others at your table, it should [B]definitely[/B] change. I wouldnt boot him without letting him know how you feel about it first. Your table (regardless of whether its actually at your home or not) is your demesne and people will abide by whatever rules or sensibilities you have to keep things fun for you and everyone. Even if by some chance, all your players were fine with the Monk/Paladin, if [U]YOU[/U] are not you should talk to everyone and vice versa should you unknowingly offend them. [/QUOTE]
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