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<blockquote data-quote="korjik" data-source="post: 5423631" data-attributes="member: 56755">How about not throwing a hissy fit and insulting all the guards you are trying to get past, or just taking the refugees to where the city they are trying to get into sent its noncombatants? Seeing as Az005 both had an NPC officer try to mediate the arguement between the guards and the party, and also mentioned where the cities noncoms went, both seem pretty obvious.&nbsp;Alot of people here seem to be completely missing the fact that the whole problem here was brought on by the players actions, and that the DM only tried to put on the brakes when the players started acting nuts.&nbsp;This 'paladin/monk': insulted and threatened guards who said they were acting on orders, snuck into the city, mugged someone on the street, started a brawl with the guy they mugged in a cathedral, then ended up murdering said guy, in that cathedral.&nbsp;The only problem I can really see here is that Az005 didnt point out the really really obvious solutions when it became obvious that the players missed them, and he didnt find out why the players were going so far off the deep end before it wrecked the game.&nbsp;Before someone accuses me of railroading, my point here is that sometimes you have to be extremely explicit that it is just a cow. DMs know what is going on, players dont. Sometimes they get stuck in a way of thinking and miss things that the characters wouldnt. Getting agressive with town guards for no reason, especially when they are just doing their job, is out of character for a paladin. Az005 should have asked why the player was getting so upset. If it turned out that the whole party really didnt care for the noncombatant side, then he should have glossed that over, instead of letting bored players wreck the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="korjik, post: 5423631, member: 56755"] How about [I]not[/I] throwing a hissy fit and insulting all the guards you are trying to get past, or just taking the refugees to where the city they are trying to get into sent [I]its noncombatants[/I]? Seeing as Az005 both had an NPC officer try to mediate the arguement between the guards and the party, and also mentioned where the cities noncoms went, both seem pretty obvious. Alot of people here seem to be completely missing the fact that the whole problem here was brought on by the players actions, and that the DM only tried to put on the brakes when the players started acting nuts. This 'paladin/monk': insulted and threatened guards who said they were acting on orders, snuck into the city, mugged someone on the street, started a brawl with the guy they mugged in a cathedral, then ended up murdering said guy, in that cathedral. The only problem I can really see here is that Az005 didnt point out the really really obvious solutions when it became obvious that the players missed them, and he didnt find out why the players were going so far off the deep end before it wrecked the game. Before someone accuses me of railroading, my point here is that sometimes you have to be extremely explicit that it [I]is just a cow.[/I] DMs know what is going on, players dont. Sometimes they get stuck in a way of thinking and miss things that the [I]characters[/I] wouldnt. Getting agressive with town guards for no reason, especially when they are just doing their job, is out of character for a paladin. Az005 should have asked why the player was getting so upset. If it turned out that the whole party really didnt care for the noncombatant side, then he should have glossed that over, instead of letting bored players wreck the game. [/QUOTE]

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