Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belzamus" data-source="post: 5012784" data-attributes="member: 61612">Freaking. Awesome. Great work, as always Paradox. I do have a problem with these, though, and that's the fact that all of them (and, really, all non-Demiurge at this level) are glass cannons. If the breath hits, they win. If their breath is negated, they have almost no chance of winning. Just comparing the GW to Khorvanis, a Stage II Demiurge, CR 774,  HP: 840,000 vs. 19 millionInitiative: +480 vs. +400, Perfect InitiativeArmor Class: 1,300 vs 1,200, but Khorvanis' Touch AC is 1,000 as well.Dead Zone Radius: 10,000 ft. vs. 80,000 ft. More critically compared, [sblock] Evil Eye renders the breath nearly obsolete, as does his superior Dead Zone. Transversal + Cosmic Consciousness is basically auto-screw for the dragon. Transcoporeal negates it's (no doubt mighty) melee Unreal handles its Alter Reality And 600 attacks a round @ 10d1000 +60,000 +1d1000 per target's Divine Rank 10-20/x10 with Ultimate Weapon Focus and Ultimate Power attack make a mockery of this thing's HP. And if not, well, Time Dilation +Astro Effect +Rectify neutralizes a threat of even this scale with ease. [/sblock] Now, far from bragging, or even calling this thing weak, I mean to bring up a conundrum in the system at this point. Against a Demiurge, this dragon is utterly outclassed in almost every imagineable way. Against a First One, it'd be a miracle if they even got a round before the BHD annihilated them. Same thing with the Adamics, honestly. They pwn Immortals and get owned by Sidereals.  Kind of makes these things difficult to use, since there's not really a level bracket where they're a good challenge. They're either a 1-round TPK or they get 1-shotted.  Of course, Khorvanis' job is to say "get out of my universe, you degenerate piece of temporal trash!". Being 250 ECL higher than his divine template throws his CR a little out of whack, I think.  A decent solution might be reworking ELs at that level to be based around a 1-character party, rather than a 4. A party ECL 550 First Ones might be closer to that narrow margin than a single Stage II Demiruge. (who's ECL is almost identical to the GW BHD's). Then, though, we have the issue that, flavor-wise, this thing SHOULD devour First Ones, shouldn't it? Oh, well. It's still awesome, regarldess. I actually like it better than the Nexus Dragon. Any tease for the Quasar's breath? Drain Divine Ranks, maybe?  EDIT: Went over it a little more closely, and even assuming it got the drop on Khorvanis somehow (let's not dwell on the specifics) and was able to get in range to use its Breath without hitting K's Dead Zone (or ignoring it since K is DvR 96), he gets socked for 35d20 HD Annihilation.  Which sounds like a ton. Except, a.) Khorvanis is Nebulous, so 50% he just ignores it.b.) Evil Eye makes it 35 HD off of 480.c.) With a +988 Reflex Save, K takes 1/2 damage, as in 17 HD. And then he kills the miserable sod. With 1 of his 600 attacks per round, which, thanks the BHD's egregious Divine Bonus deals a miserable amount of damage. +240d1000, to be exact. And if he doesn't crit, it takes another shot to finish the beast.  So, we have one of two conclusions to draw. The BHD needs to be meaner to justify a CR that high. Khorvanis, as an Avatar of the Time Lord, is even stronger than his CR suggests, despite it being 200 points higher than a normal Demiurge of his HD. (This is entriely possible. He has over half the Transcendental Ability list on his character sheet.) In which case, I should probably throw together a bog-standard Stage 3 Demiurge (4 boring Artifacts and only 128 Divine Abilities) and see how it compares to the BHD.</blockquote>

Verification