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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Matrix Sorcica" data-source="post: 853211" data-attributes="member: 3547">Thanks for all the replies, but none of it makes sense.So undead templates change HD into d12's, but an undead just gaining class lvls keep the class HD? That's just stupid!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />Undead have d12 to compensate for their lack of a con score. Seems to me then, that CR shouldn't increase by 1 for each class lvl then, when they can't get the con benefit, but at the same time don't have a d12.This is so inconsistent, it makes me want to scream! I REALLY hope that WotC get their s**t together and start applying a little logic to some of their rules(rant over - sorry)</blockquote>