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[3.5e] One feat = 2 weapon fighting at -2/-2?
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<blockquote data-quote="Simplicity" data-source="post: 854833" data-attributes="member: 1496"><p>I disagree. Two weapon fighters should come out way ahead in damage. Why?</p><p></p><p>POWER ATTACK. The other fight feat. </p><p></p><p>Just like TWF, no fighter worth their salt doesn't take Power Attack. Power Attack subtracts from all of your to-hit rolls and adds to all of your damage rolls up to your BAB.</p><p></p><p>Now, suppose I'm a seventh level fighter with a STR of 22, and a non-magical greataxe (I'm leaving magic out of it to make the</p><p>numbers easier). And let's say you want a 50% chance of hitting an AC of 18.</p><p></p><p>My Strength gives me a +6 to hit, my BAB gives me a +7. </p><p>Thus, I add +13 to whatever I roll, so I need to roll a 5 to get </p><p>an 18. If I want a 50% chance to hit 18, I can afford to use +5 on my power attack with a single weapon.</p><p> </p><p>With a greataxe then I've got </p><p>1d12(axe) + 9(str) + 5 (powerattack) = 20.5. </p><p></p><p>If I want the same chances with each of two wielded weapons (say a long sword and a short sword). Then I get </p><p>1d8(longsword) + 6(Str) + 3(powerattack) = 13.5 dmg</p><p>1d6(shortsword) + 3(str) + 3(powerattack) = 9.5 dmg</p><p></p><p>The two weapon wielder wins in damage. Even if you take into account the fact that the greataxe wielder might weapon focus in great axe with the extra feat. If you consider that the axe wielder might specialize, then the damage numbers match, but the axe wielder has an extra feat. For that extra feat, the two weapon wielder could have gone exotic weapon, and still won.</p><p></p><p>Fighters can typically blow quite a bit of their BAB in Power Attack, and still be able to hit quite often. This example isn't even taking into account magic weapons, Bull's Strength, or other buff spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Simplicity, post: 854833, member: 1496"] I disagree. Two weapon fighters should come out way ahead in damage. Why? POWER ATTACK. The other fight feat. Just like TWF, no fighter worth their salt doesn't take Power Attack. Power Attack subtracts from all of your to-hit rolls and adds to all of your damage rolls up to your BAB. Now, suppose I'm a seventh level fighter with a STR of 22, and a non-magical greataxe (I'm leaving magic out of it to make the numbers easier). And let's say you want a 50% chance of hitting an AC of 18. My Strength gives me a +6 to hit, my BAB gives me a +7. Thus, I add +13 to whatever I roll, so I need to roll a 5 to get an 18. If I want a 50% chance to hit 18, I can afford to use +5 on my power attack with a single weapon. With a greataxe then I've got 1d12(axe) + 9(str) + 5 (powerattack) = 20.5. If I want the same chances with each of two wielded weapons (say a long sword and a short sword). Then I get 1d8(longsword) + 6(Str) + 3(powerattack) = 13.5 dmg 1d6(shortsword) + 3(str) + 3(powerattack) = 9.5 dmg The two weapon wielder wins in damage. Even if you take into account the fact that the greataxe wielder might weapon focus in great axe with the extra feat. If you consider that the axe wielder might specialize, then the damage numbers match, but the axe wielder has an extra feat. For that extra feat, the two weapon wielder could have gone exotic weapon, and still won. Fighters can typically blow quite a bit of their BAB in Power Attack, and still be able to hit quite often. This example isn't even taking into account magic weapons, Bull's Strength, or other buff spells. [/QUOTE]
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