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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 800347" data-attributes="member: 3051">Delkain, I think he meant how Loremaster requires Skill Focus as a prerequisite.  Many PrCs are this way, since most require some sort of "useless" Feat, and Skill Focus is general-purpose enough that it gets picked a lot.  Toughness, too.About my versions of Skill Focus:The key was, we wanted something that scaled with you, never becoming less useful, and providing access to a new mechanic helps this.Math note: "re-roll 5 or less" adds, on average, 1.875 to your roll.  More importantly, it really reduces the chance of critical fumbles."Re-roll 10 or less" adds, on average, 2.5, but it's really more effective than that since you can choose not to reroll if you only needed a 7 or something.I haven't made the Epic version yet, but it'd go something like:> Requires 20 ranks> Lets you Take 20 in 5x normal time instead of 20x> Can re-roll no matter what the first roll gave (effectively giving 2 tries at every skill check for one skill at the cost of 2 normal and 1 Epic feat)We also reworked the Alertness-style Feats along these lines.  So, while Skill Focus gives two benefits (Take 10, re-roll 5 or less), Alertness gives the re-roll part to both Spot and Listen.  Same kind of thing for all the FR ones like this; for each +2, give one of the two Skill Focus benefits as appropriate.Due to popular demand, most people just replaced Combat Casting with Skill Focus (Concentration), since being able to Take 10 on a concentration check is huge.Ironically, the problem we ran into is that while Skill Focus is now well-balanced against other Feats, it screws up PrCs a bit.  I mean, one of the costs of Loremaster was "wasting" a Feat to get a +2 to a Knowledge skill, at a point where you already had 10 ranks or more.  But, if you rework Skill Focus so that it's actually useful for things like Knowledge skills, it skews balance a bit.One other thing: the Take 20 ability of Greater Skill Focus works much better if you do the +10/-10 rolls for rolling a 20 or a 1.  That way you still have a reason to roll in some situations.</blockquote>

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