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<blockquote data-quote="vageta31" data-source="post: 5471252" data-attributes="member: 6669978"><p>So I'm working on a build involving a few levels of swordsage and had a few questions.</p><p></p><p>1. Initiator levels. So the math is SS level + 1/2 other class levels + PrC levels = initiator levels? So if I did say.. rogue/fighter for the first 5 levels and took SS at 6, it'd count as initiator 3 or 4(not sure how you round..) Then at 7 I took master thrower, 2 more levels or rogue or fighter, and SS at 10 my IL would be 6/7? I'm trying to figure out the earliest level I could take SS 2 and get 5th level maneuvers following this build progression. Or I could take master thrower at 7-9(counts as a full 3 if I understand correctly), take SS at 10 AND 11, and by 11 I could pick up a 5th stance? A bit confusing.</p><p></p><p>2. Cloak of deception. Here is the desc:</p><p></p><p>CLOAK OF DECEPTION</p><p>Shadow Hand (Boost)</p><p>Level: Swordsage 2</p><p>Initiation Action: 1 swift action</p><p>Range: Personal</p><p>Target: You</p><p>Duration: End of turn</p><p>The shadows around you seem to surge forward</p><p>and engulf you. For a brief moment,</p><p>they render you invisible.</p><p>When you initiate this maneuver, you</p><p>turn invisible, as the greater invisibility</p><p>spell (PH 245). You remain invisible</p><p>until the end of your current turn.</p><p>This maneuver is a supernatural</p><p>ability.</p><p></p><p>Does this mean I can do this maneuver at the start of my round as a swift action, then do my full attack while invisible? If so it seems I can get one full round SA during each encounter. Assuming I got surprise round, then won initiative on normal round and then in 2nd round I do this, I could get 3 SA in a row.</p><p></p><p>3. Shadow stride is a move action, and if I read correctly it basically means I can teleport 50 feet then still have a standard attack. Meaning if I get initiative and act before my target, I can TP near him and get a SA in? This is the main reason I want to get a 5th level maneuver. Also, if I'm in melee range and shadow stride backwards away, do I take an AoO? Since it's considered a teleport and I don't actually cast a spell, it seems it would not. As a thrower this could be awesome. If enemies close in on me, I could TP 40-50 feet away and get a full round throw attack and unless they're fast they couldn't close in on me in one round.</p><p></p><p>4. Last one. Can I use any martial discipline maneuver with any stance? For instance if I'm using assassin stance, can I still use a desert wind maneuver or do I have to switch to a desert wind stance to do that? I can't seem to find clarity in the book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vageta31, post: 5471252, member: 6669978"] So I'm working on a build involving a few levels of swordsage and had a few questions. 1. Initiator levels. So the math is SS level + 1/2 other class levels + PrC levels = initiator levels? So if I did say.. rogue/fighter for the first 5 levels and took SS at 6, it'd count as initiator 3 or 4(not sure how you round..) Then at 7 I took master thrower, 2 more levels or rogue or fighter, and SS at 10 my IL would be 6/7? I'm trying to figure out the earliest level I could take SS 2 and get 5th level maneuvers following this build progression. Or I could take master thrower at 7-9(counts as a full 3 if I understand correctly), take SS at 10 AND 11, and by 11 I could pick up a 5th stance? A bit confusing. 2. Cloak of deception. Here is the desc: CLOAK OF DECEPTION Shadow Hand (Boost) Level: Swordsage 2 Initiation Action: 1 swift action Range: Personal Target: You Duration: End of turn The shadows around you seem to surge forward and engulf you. For a brief moment, they render you invisible. When you initiate this maneuver, you turn invisible, as the greater invisibility spell (PH 245). You remain invisible until the end of your current turn. This maneuver is a supernatural ability. Does this mean I can do this maneuver at the start of my round as a swift action, then do my full attack while invisible? If so it seems I can get one full round SA during each encounter. Assuming I got surprise round, then won initiative on normal round and then in 2nd round I do this, I could get 3 SA in a row. 3. Shadow stride is a move action, and if I read correctly it basically means I can teleport 50 feet then still have a standard attack. Meaning if I get initiative and act before my target, I can TP near him and get a SA in? This is the main reason I want to get a 5th level maneuver. Also, if I'm in melee range and shadow stride backwards away, do I take an AoO? Since it's considered a teleport and I don't actually cast a spell, it seems it would not. As a thrower this could be awesome. If enemies close in on me, I could TP 40-50 feet away and get a full round throw attack and unless they're fast they couldn't close in on me in one round. 4. Last one. Can I use any martial discipline maneuver with any stance? For instance if I'm using assassin stance, can I still use a desert wind maneuver or do I have to switch to a desert wind stance to do that? I can't seem to find clarity in the book. [/QUOTE]
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