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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5471273" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>1. You add your Swordsage level to half the levels in all other classes you have combined (rounded down) to calculate your initiator level. Prestige Classes do not count as any different from normal non-initiator classes - except if you take up one of the PrCs in Tome of Battle which continue maneuver progression.</p><p>Thus, if you go Rogue 1-3/Fighter 1-2/Swordsage 1, your initiator level is 3, allowing you to choose from first and second level maneuvers for the Swordsage level you take at sixth character level.</p><p>If you go Rogue 1-3/Fighter 1-2/Swordsage 1/Master Thrower 1/Rogue 4-5/Swordsage 2, your initiator level is 6, and you can pick from first through third level maneuvers (which includes stances) for the Swordsage level you acquire at 10th character level.</p><p></p><p>2. Cloak of Deception is activated as a swift action (presumably at the start of your turn), and allows you to take a full attack while invisible (or one move and one attack action, or anything else you can do in 1 round's worth of actions). It does not keep you invisible any longer once your turn is finished, though.</p><p></p><p>3. Your interpretation of Shadow Stride seems correct. However, you don't get 5th level maneuvers with the build you outlined here until you take Swordsage levels for your 11th, 12th, and 13th character level. By 13th level, you'd be a Rogue 5/Fighter 2/Swordsage 5/Master Thrower 1, putting your initiator level at 9 and allowing you to choose 5th level maneuvers.</p><p></p><p>4. The stances you assume and the strikes, boosts, and counters you use are independent of each other. Meaning, yes, you can use any combination of stances and other maneuvers you like. Note that some maneuvers only work with the discipline's preferred weapons, IIRC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5471273, member: 78958"] 1. You add your Swordsage level to half the levels in all other classes you have combined (rounded down) to calculate your initiator level. Prestige Classes do not count as any different from normal non-initiator classes - except if you take up one of the PrCs in Tome of Battle which continue maneuver progression. Thus, if you go Rogue 1-3/Fighter 1-2/Swordsage 1, your initiator level is 3, allowing you to choose from first and second level maneuvers for the Swordsage level you take at sixth character level. If you go Rogue 1-3/Fighter 1-2/Swordsage 1/Master Thrower 1/Rogue 4-5/Swordsage 2, your initiator level is 6, and you can pick from first through third level maneuvers (which includes stances) for the Swordsage level you acquire at 10th character level. 2. Cloak of Deception is activated as a swift action (presumably at the start of your turn), and allows you to take a full attack while invisible (or one move and one attack action, or anything else you can do in 1 round's worth of actions). It does not keep you invisible any longer once your turn is finished, though. 3. Your interpretation of Shadow Stride seems correct. However, you don't get 5th level maneuvers with the build you outlined here until you take Swordsage levels for your 11th, 12th, and 13th character level. By 13th level, you'd be a Rogue 5/Fighter 2/Swordsage 5/Master Thrower 1, putting your initiator level at 9 and allowing you to choose 5th level maneuvers. 4. The stances you assume and the strikes, boosts, and counters you use are independent of each other. Meaning, yes, you can use any combination of stances and other maneuvers you like. Note that some maneuvers only work with the discipline's preferred weapons, IIRC. [/QUOTE]
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