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[3.5e] What's the most broken character under the new rules?
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<blockquote data-quote="bret" data-source="post: 1022925" data-attributes="member: 713"><p>Guess what I would look at is Whirlwind Attack with a Spiked Chain (SC) while under the influence of the Enlarge Person spell.</p><p></p><p>Whirlwind no longer has the 5' limit. Spiked Chain gives reach, so the combination allows you to hit everything within 10'. Trip everything within 10', and get an AoO as they get up. Since Enlarge Person gives you reach, I'm not sure if the final figure is 15' reach or 20' reach.</p><p></p><p>This build needs Dex and Int and wants Str.</p><p></p><p>Lets try and build something here:</p><p></p><p>Top, the Whirling Dervish</p><p>Human Fighter 4/Barbarian 6</p><p>Str 14 Dex 17 Con 12 Int 13 Wis 10 Cha 8</p><p></p><p>Put both attribute points from leveling into Dex.</p><p></p><p>Have a friendly Sorcerer in the party with the Enlarge Person spell to help the guy. Failing that, get a potion to do it. Buy a magical spiked chain +1 Electric -- I'm not sure if a 10th level character could afford +2 electric.</p><p></p><p>I chose Electric for the SC because of the visual. Substitute your favorite damage bonus.</p><p></p><p>1st Barbarian 1 (Rage): Dodge, Combat Reflexes</p><p>2nd Fighter 1: Exotic Weapon: Spiked Chain</p><p>3rd Barbarian 2 (Uncanny Dodge): Trip</p><p>4th: Fighter 2: Mobility</p><p>5th: Barbarian 3</p><p>6th Barbarian 4 (Rage 2x): Combat Expertise</p><p>7th Barbarian 5 (Improved Uncanny Dodge)</p><p>8th Barbarian 6</p><p>9th Fighter 3: Spring Attack</p><p>10th Fighter 4: Whirlwind Attack</p><p></p><p>Spiked Chain (M) does 2d4 damage</p><p>Spiked Chain (L) does 2d6 damage</p><p></p><p>Normal, have 10' reach</p><p>Attack +10 (BAB) +2 (Str) +1 (weapon) = +13</p><p>Damage: 2d4 + 2 + 1d6</p><p></p><p>Raging:</p><p>Attack +15 Damage 2d4 + 4 + 1d6</p><p></p><p>When under the effects of Enlarge Person:</p><p>Reach is either 15' or 20', not sure which</p><p>Attack +13</p><p>Damage +2d6 + 3 + 1d6</p><p></p><p>Enlarged and Raging</p><p>Attack +15</p><p>Damage +2d6 + 5 + 1d6</p><p></p><p>Considering that you are doing this in a 15' radius, not bad. Since you are a barbarian, only Rogues have a chance of flanking you.</p><p></p><p>Since everything is off your first attack bonus, you have a very high probability of hitting.</p><p></p><p>If we bring this up to 16th level (where the classis smackdowns were), go Fighter 6/ Barbarian 10 and pick up Weapon Focus: SC, Weapon Specialization: SC, Power Attack. At this point, your first attack bonus is high enough that you are usually going to hit so dropping some into power attack works. Spiked Chain is a 2H weapon so every -1 to attack is a +2 damage.</p><p></p><p>I'm sure there are ways to improve this further, but it is a start.</p><p></p><p>I thought about adding Rogue to the mix for the bonus damage. Uncanny Dodge would stack and you could sometimes get Sneak Attack damage. The problem is getting Sneak Attack damage when using WWA -- if you use a Ring of Blinking all of the sudden 20% of the opponents are untouched. Blah! Besides, the DR and D12 hit points from the Barbarian class are going to do a lot more for your survivability than the Sneak Attack at this point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bret, post: 1022925, member: 713"] Guess what I would look at is Whirlwind Attack with a Spiked Chain (SC) while under the influence of the Enlarge Person spell. Whirlwind no longer has the 5' limit. Spiked Chain gives reach, so the combination allows you to hit everything within 10'. Trip everything within 10', and get an AoO as they get up. Since Enlarge Person gives you reach, I'm not sure if the final figure is 15' reach or 20' reach. This build needs Dex and Int and wants Str. Lets try and build something here: Top, the Whirling Dervish Human Fighter 4/Barbarian 6 Str 14 Dex 17 Con 12 Int 13 Wis 10 Cha 8 Put both attribute points from leveling into Dex. Have a friendly Sorcerer in the party with the Enlarge Person spell to help the guy. Failing that, get a potion to do it. Buy a magical spiked chain +1 Electric -- I'm not sure if a 10th level character could afford +2 electric. I chose Electric for the SC because of the visual. Substitute your favorite damage bonus. 1st Barbarian 1 (Rage): Dodge, Combat Reflexes 2nd Fighter 1: Exotic Weapon: Spiked Chain 3rd Barbarian 2 (Uncanny Dodge): Trip 4th: Fighter 2: Mobility 5th: Barbarian 3 6th Barbarian 4 (Rage 2x): Combat Expertise 7th Barbarian 5 (Improved Uncanny Dodge) 8th Barbarian 6 9th Fighter 3: Spring Attack 10th Fighter 4: Whirlwind Attack Spiked Chain (M) does 2d4 damage Spiked Chain (L) does 2d6 damage Normal, have 10' reach Attack +10 (BAB) +2 (Str) +1 (weapon) = +13 Damage: 2d4 + 2 + 1d6 Raging: Attack +15 Damage 2d4 + 4 + 1d6 When under the effects of Enlarge Person: Reach is either 15' or 20', not sure which Attack +13 Damage +2d6 + 3 + 1d6 Enlarged and Raging Attack +15 Damage +2d6 + 5 + 1d6 Considering that you are doing this in a 15' radius, not bad. Since you are a barbarian, only Rogues have a chance of flanking you. Since everything is off your first attack bonus, you have a very high probability of hitting. If we bring this up to 16th level (where the classis smackdowns were), go Fighter 6/ Barbarian 10 and pick up Weapon Focus: SC, Weapon Specialization: SC, Power Attack. At this point, your first attack bonus is high enough that you are usually going to hit so dropping some into power attack works. Spiked Chain is a 2H weapon so every -1 to attack is a +2 damage. I'm sure there are ways to improve this further, but it is a start. I thought about adding Rogue to the mix for the bonus damage. Uncanny Dodge would stack and you could sometimes get Sneak Attack damage. The problem is getting Sneak Attack damage when using WWA -- if you use a Ring of Blinking all of the sudden 20% of the opponents are untouched. Blah! Besides, the DR and D12 hit points from the Barbarian class are going to do a lot more for your survivability than the Sneak Attack at this point. [/QUOTE]
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