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<blockquote data-quote="LuYangShih" data-source="post: 718643" data-attributes="member: 10414">Fighters deal good damage, if min-maxed properly.&nbsp; Big whoop.&nbsp; Outside of that, they do nothing useful.&nbsp; Outside of combat, Fighter types are worthless compared to casters.&nbsp; Casters can investigate, do diplomacy, stealth, travel faster and easier than any class has a right to, AND are extremely effective in combat.&nbsp; People talk about SR like it's so unfair, but it's nothing compared to what happens to Fighters when they go up against creatures like Oozes and Nightshades.Fighters without their equipment are pathetic.&nbsp; Casters without their equipment still rock.&nbsp; Go up against a DM who makes use of Sunder, Disarm and things like Rust Monsters or Oozes.&nbsp; Or how about stealing the Fighters weapons, or Stunning them, causing their weapons to drop, grabbing them and then teleporting away?&nbsp; Looks like the Fighter can't do anything much now.&nbsp; Casters can do it all, including combat, and they can do it without magic items.&nbsp; Fighters can do well in combat, but against monsters they require magic items to be effective.And it's not just magic weapons, or magic armor, a Fighter has to have Teleportation items available if he hopes to get out of Walls of Force, grapples and close quickly with bombard mages, he has to have flying to deal with monsters and enemies equipped with flight, etc.&nbsp; A Fighter is completely reliant on their magic items.&nbsp; Take them away, and they are easily destroyed by most high level monsters.&nbsp; And it is shockingly easy TO take them away.&nbsp; And even with magic items, Fighters do nothing of note outside of combat, while casters do everything.&nbsp; But that's D&amp;D.&nbsp; Casters rule, and I doubt that will ever change without a total revamping of the system.&nbsp; And if they do that, why even call it D&amp;D anymore?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LuYangShih, post: 718643, member: 10414"] Fighters deal good damage, if min-maxed properly. Big whoop. Outside of that, they do nothing useful. Outside of combat, Fighter types are worthless compared to casters. Casters can investigate, do diplomacy, stealth, travel faster and easier than any class has a right to, AND are extremely effective in combat. People talk about SR like it's so unfair, but it's nothing compared to what happens to Fighters when they go up against creatures like Oozes and Nightshades. Fighters without their equipment are pathetic. Casters without their equipment still rock. Go up against a DM who makes use of Sunder, Disarm and things like Rust Monsters or Oozes. Or how about stealing the Fighters weapons, or Stunning them, causing their weapons to drop, grabbing them and then teleporting away? Looks like the Fighter can't do anything much now. Casters can do it all, including combat, and they can do it without magic items. Fighters can do well in combat, but against monsters they [b]require[/b] magic items to be effective. And it's not just magic weapons, or magic armor, a Fighter has to have Teleportation items available if he hopes to get out of Walls of Force, grapples and close quickly with bombard mages, he has to have flying to deal with monsters and enemies equipped with flight, etc. A Fighter is completely reliant on their magic items. Take them away, and they are easily destroyed by most high level monsters. And it is shockingly easy TO take them away. And even with magic items, Fighters do nothing of note outside of combat, while casters do everything. But that's D&D. Casters rule, and I doubt that will ever change without a total revamping of the system. And if they do that, why even call it D&D anymore? [/QUOTE]

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