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<blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 3570247" data-attributes="member: 2477"><p>No, they're not strawmen, they're opinions, both sides of this issue are giving their opinions on something that we can't quantify, simply because there is no 1 Book 3.5D&D to compare to.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This assumes that the One Book is the same price as one of the Three Books.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've never had a big problem with players having access to monster stats overall, but such metagaming at the table would bug me immensely. That is not a problem with 1B vs 3B though, but a Player issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This assumes something that is simply not true with D&D, whether 1B or 3B. There are no campaign secrets in the cores. So, sure, this is a strawman, since it's got nothing whatsoever to do with the actual discussion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The thing is, the cut material would still be produced at some point, so you'd still end up with the same (if not more) number of books for the same material. What you'd lose more of is the formating that makes some things more convenient. The MM's habit of starting a new page with a new monster for instance, and artwork as well. A barebones D&D is fine in many ways, but a lot of folks here don't want to stop at just trimming extra monsters. They want to rewrite D&D into C&C and then the simplistic system would take up less space.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In business, it's not about "will it sell", but "will it make us more money than the other model".Do they make more money selling the 1B model vs the 3B model? I don't know how well the introductory boxed sets are doing myself, but those would be your "one product" things (in a different format, of course).</p><p></p><p>Besides which "revive the hobby"? According to WotC, D&D is doing better than ever, they have no need to try to pump the industry under the theory that buying 1/3 of what you already have, all in one book would somehow create lots more players.</p><p></p><p>The main model from what I recall, is current players getting new players, which means the PHB is fine.</p><p></p><p>(As for d20, it was in a slight slump before 3.5, and I think the followup after 3.5 has more to do with the horrible way the d20 guys handled 3.5, rather than 3.5's existence.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If there really is a market, then someone should come out with a Core Book, a single book drawn from the SRD with all everyone needs to play the game. SInce it would be competing with the Big Three, it would surely fail, but then folks like you could have it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vocenoctum, post: 3570247, member: 2477"] No, they're not strawmen, they're opinions, both sides of this issue are giving their opinions on something that we can't quantify, simply because there is no 1 Book 3.5D&D to compare to. This assumes that the One Book is the same price as one of the Three Books. I've never had a big problem with players having access to monster stats overall, but such metagaming at the table would bug me immensely. That is not a problem with 1B vs 3B though, but a Player issue. This assumes something that is simply not true with D&D, whether 1B or 3B. There are no campaign secrets in the cores. So, sure, this is a strawman, since it's got nothing whatsoever to do with the actual discussion. The thing is, the cut material would still be produced at some point, so you'd still end up with the same (if not more) number of books for the same material. What you'd lose more of is the formating that makes some things more convenient. The MM's habit of starting a new page with a new monster for instance, and artwork as well. A barebones D&D is fine in many ways, but a lot of folks here don't want to stop at just trimming extra monsters. They want to rewrite D&D into C&C and then the simplistic system would take up less space. In business, it's not about "will it sell", but "will it make us more money than the other model".Do they make more money selling the 1B model vs the 3B model? I don't know how well the introductory boxed sets are doing myself, but those would be your "one product" things (in a different format, of course). Besides which "revive the hobby"? According to WotC, D&D is doing better than ever, they have no need to try to pump the industry under the theory that buying 1/3 of what you already have, all in one book would somehow create lots more players. The main model from what I recall, is current players getting new players, which means the PHB is fine. (As for d20, it was in a slight slump before 3.5, and I think the followup after 3.5 has more to do with the horrible way the d20 guys handled 3.5, rather than 3.5's existence.) If there really is a market, then someone should come out with a Core Book, a single book drawn from the SRD with all everyone needs to play the game. SInce it would be competing with the Big Three, it would surely fail, but then folks like you could have it. :) [/QUOTE]
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