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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DMScott" data-source="post: 1202219" data-attributes="member: 11734">As a DM, I think I'd be sitting behind the screen saying "hmm, I hope the players don't feel ornery today", because that has TPK written all over it. Even if the goblins and hobgoblins are all standard grunts (an unsafe assumption given the numbers) and even if they have no ranged weapons, the bad guys can generate so many attacks, grapples, etc. that some of them are going to succeed. The PCs, OTOH, don't have the levels and stats to be sure their attacks will hit on any given round, nor the hit points and AC to absorb very many attacks - one bad round could kill them. The PCs might have a shot if the abjurer had any AE spells (Web would be the one I'd be wishing for, were I him), but even then it'd be chancy. As the PCs, I'd parley and look for a way to get out without a fight. Might be worth tracking the goblins and ambushing them, but I'd want no part of a fair fight with that bunch.</blockquote>