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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 8093733" data-attributes="member: 907">The original Dark Sun box consisted of:Rules book: 96 pages covering new/modified races and classes, new proficiencies, what monsters from then-published materials were appropriate, changes to magic, and assorted other rules stuff.The Wanderer's Journal: Another 96 pages of mostly "fluff", but with some new monsters at the end.A Little Knowledge: Split into three parts, the first being a 16-page book that's mostly a short story but also has two pages of monsters and an explanation of how the flip-book adventure format works, a 24-page half-size book of player handouts, and another 24-page half-size book of the actual intro adventure.Two poster maps: one of the Tyr region (double-sided, color on one side and black & white hex grid on the other) and another of the city of Tyr.While you definitely saved a bunch of pages by also requiring the Complete Psionics Handbook instead of including psionics rules, the idea that you wouldn't be able to do something similar in 320 pages today is ridiculous.Some people like the Forge "threefold model" of gamist/simulationist/narrativist RPG design. Personally, I prefer the <a href="http://jrients.blogspot.com/2006/02/i-got-your-threefold-model-right-here.html" target="_blank">retro/stupid/pretentious</a> model. And I fully admit that Spelljammer hits a complete bull's eye in the "stupid" part of that. That's why I love it.Now, you can add some "pretentious" to the Spelljammer cocktail to make it more serious, but that should be something used sparingly. I think the stupid probably works when it's Pratchettian in nature – the people of Discworld don't see their world as humorous, it's only we who do that. The same should go for Spelljammer.</blockquote>

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