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<blockquote data-quote="DammitVictor" data-source="post: 9805470" data-attributes="member: 6750908"><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Big Dumb Campaign Ideas:</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Whole reason I started this thread? Had a dumb idea awhile back: "No Core" D&D.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Rules are "simple":</span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">3.PF. Third-party products allowed/encouraged, as long as they're 3.X or PF1 compatible, and subject to umpire's approval.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">No ancestries or base classes from the PHB or CRB allowed, including subraces, archetypes, and variants.</span><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Anything with the [human] subtype is <em>human</em> and counts as human for all purposes. Human Paragon grants Skilled.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Nothing that gets "full caster" access to the full Wiz/Sor, Clr/Ora, or Druid spell lists is allowed.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Mechanics that are locked behind "core class" are given/made accessible to similar classes; </span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Your base classes and/or Prestige Classes for a single level can't be from the same source/series.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Your first two base classes and your first PrC are "free" and you get PF Favored Class Bonuses for them; NPC classes, Paragon classes, and anything else that isn't a "base class" or a "Prestige Class" don't count.</span></li> </ul></li> </ul><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Has some interesting ramifications:</span></p><ul style="margin-left: 20px" style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Removing orcs as the big "humanoid menace" thrusts goblins, hobgoblins, and bugbears into the forefront; Paizo and Dreamscarred Press have <em>a lot </em>of material for goblinoids, in addition to the Eberron setting.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">On the WotC side... your biggest sources for new classes are <em>Oriental Adventures </em>and <em>Expanded Psionics Handbook</em>; AEG's Rokugan d20 adds a lot of support to the former and Dreamscarred Press add a lot to the latter.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Many, many humans are now genasi/geniekin. Your best-supported 9 level spellcasters are Wu Jen and Shugenja. Paizo's elemental kineticist has <strong><em>amazing </em></strong>support from Legendary Games. Paizo has published two different versions of the Sha'ir class...</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Many, many humans are now aasimar, tiefling, or ganzi. You're probably also going to be seeing a lot more Witches and Warlocks than you usually do. Witch|Warlock is a viable class.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 18px">Paladins and Antipaladins are banned.... as are probably the three Paladin variants (Tyranny, Liberty, Slaughter) in <em>Unearthed Arcana</em>. The Prestige Paladin and/or Blackguard aren't. Sohei, Inquisitor, Warpriest, Cavalier/Samurai are all great routes to get there.</span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Like... how much worldbuilding just happened there?</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DammitVictor, post: 9805470, member: 6750908"] [SIZE=5][B]Big Dumb Campaign Ideas:[/B] Whole reason I started this thread? Had a dumb idea awhile back: "No Core" D&D. Rules are "simple":[/SIZE] [LIST] [*][SIZE=5]3.PF. Third-party products allowed/encouraged, as long as they're 3.X or PF1 compatible, and subject to umpire's approval.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]No ancestries or base classes from the PHB or CRB allowed, including subraces, archetypes, and variants.[/SIZE] [LIST] [*][SIZE=5]Anything with the [human] subtype is [I]human[/I] and counts as human for all purposes. Human Paragon grants Skilled.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Nothing that gets "full caster" access to the full Wiz/Sor, Clr/Ora, or Druid spell lists is allowed.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Mechanics that are locked behind "core class" are given/made accessible to similar classes; [/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Your base classes and/or Prestige Classes for a single level can't be from the same source/series.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Your first two base classes and your first PrC are "free" and you get PF Favored Class Bonuses for them; NPC classes, Paragon classes, and anything else that isn't a "base class" or a "Prestige Class" don't count.[/SIZE] [/LIST] [/LIST] [SIZE=5]Has some interesting ramifications:[/SIZE] [INDENT][INDENT][LIST] [*][SIZE=5]Removing orcs as the big "humanoid menace" thrusts goblins, hobgoblins, and bugbears into the forefront; Paizo and Dreamscarred Press have [I]a lot [/I]of material for goblinoids, in addition to the Eberron setting.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]On the WotC side... your biggest sources for new classes are [I]Oriental Adventures [/I]and [I]Expanded Psionics Handbook[/I]; AEG's Rokugan d20 adds a lot of support to the former and Dreamscarred Press add a lot to the latter.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Many, many humans are now genasi/geniekin. Your best-supported 9 level spellcasters are Wu Jen and Shugenja. Paizo's elemental kineticist has [B][I]amazing [/I][/B]support from Legendary Games. Paizo has published two different versions of the Sha'ir class...[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Many, many humans are now aasimar, tiefling, or ganzi. You're probably also going to be seeing a lot more Witches and Warlocks than you usually do. Witch|Warlock is a viable class.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=5]Paladins and Antipaladins are banned.... as are probably the three Paladin variants (Tyranny, Liberty, Slaughter) in [I]Unearthed Arcana[/I]. The Prestige Paladin and/or Blackguard aren't. Sohei, Inquisitor, Warpriest, Cavalier/Samurai are all great routes to get there.[/SIZE] [/LIST][/INDENT][/INDENT] [SIZE=5]Like... how much worldbuilding just happened there?[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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