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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 3242670" data-attributes="member: 23094">Sorry - I should have been more specific.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />1.&nbsp; They're ridiculously complicated.&nbsp; They require either: 1) that the DM trusts his players when they say they've used Character Creation Method X, or 2) that the DM personally vets each new character to ensure compliance.&nbsp; If the DM actually trusts his players, then why doesn't he trust them enough to create balanced characters using all available splat-books?2.&nbsp; They do not favor all classes equally.&nbsp; As mentioned in another thread on a similar topic, it was pointed out that a &quot;properly chosen&quot; Core + 1 cleric is going to be lightyears ahead of, say, a &quot;properly chosen&quot; Core + 3 fighter.&nbsp; Combine that with the fighter having fewer &quot;character build points&quot; (sacrificed to open up those +3 books), and there's an even greater disparity in power.3.&nbsp; They are not balanced across all &quot;archetypes.&quot;&nbsp; Take, for instance, someone who wants to run a straight brute barbarian.&nbsp; He really doesn't need much more than what is present in the PHB and, maybe, one extra book for fun.&nbsp; Contrast this, however, with someone who wants to run a light fighter: good, solid, balanced feats for this style have appeared in three separate books.&nbsp; Either he closes himself off to one or more of these options and tries to make a sub-supported archetype work, or he suffers the reduction in build points.4.&nbsp; They make no correction for scale.&nbsp; A cleric who chooses, for instance, the Spell Compendium as his +1 source (and gains access to potentially hundreds of spells) pays the same price as someone who wants exactly 1 feat from a non-PHB book and otherwise is a pure Core character.Does that help to explain my position?EDIT: And Campaign 4 wasn't posted yet when I started on my response to the first three; you can assume that my comments don't apply to that campaign.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 3242670, member: 23094"] Sorry - I should have been more specific. :) 1. They're ridiculously complicated. They require either: 1) that the DM trusts his players when they say they've used Character Creation Method X, or 2) that the DM personally vets each new character to ensure compliance. If the DM actually trusts his players, then why doesn't he trust them enough to create balanced characters using all available splat-books? 2. They do not favor all classes equally. As mentioned in another thread on a similar topic, it was pointed out that a "properly chosen" Core + 1 cleric is going to be lightyears ahead of, say, a "properly chosen" Core + 3 fighter. Combine that with the fighter having fewer "character build points" (sacrificed to open up those +3 books), and there's an even greater disparity in power. 3. They are not balanced across all "archetypes." Take, for instance, someone who wants to run a straight brute barbarian. He really doesn't need much more than what is present in the PHB and, maybe, one extra book for fun. Contrast this, however, with someone who wants to run a light fighter: good, solid, balanced feats for this style have appeared in three separate books. Either he closes himself off to one or more of these options and tries to make a sub-supported archetype work, or he suffers the reduction in build points. 4. They make no correction for scale. A cleric who chooses, for instance, the Spell Compendium as his +1 source (and gains access to potentially hundreds of spells) pays the same price as someone who wants exactly 1 feat from a non-PHB book and otherwise is a pure Core character. Does that help to explain my position? EDIT: And Campaign 4 wasn't posted yet when I started on my response to the first three; you can assume that my comments don't apply to that campaign. :) [/QUOTE]

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