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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 8229354" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>No, I think they do support that particular point, which is that so long as a pretext can be established - and those crossovers do exactly that, regardless of whether you find the writing terrible or not - then the charop is justifiable, regardless of how flimsy it is.</p><p></p><p>I didn't say "frequently," I said repeatedly. While I suspect that you'll look at any number of examples and call them "rare," Dark Sun was referenced in Planescape multiple times, and planar references likewise came up in Dark Sun more often than you might think. Consider the following:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"New Tyr" was a neighborhood of refugees from Tyr (several hundred of them) living in the Lady's Ward of Sigil (source: <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17299/Faction-War-2e?affiliate_id=820" target="_blank"><em>Faction War</em></a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Jemorille the Exile is a rilmani who claims (dubiously) to have been the one to teach Rajaat arcane magic (source: <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17285/Uncaged-Faces-of-Sigil-2e?affiliate_id=820" target="_blank"><em>Uncaged: Faces of Sigil</em></a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tenebrous, the guise that Orcus assumed during his brief pseudo-resurrection, went to Athas and retrieved a rhul-thaun life-shaped creation from there in a (failed) attempt to recreate an avatar for himself (source: <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17297/Dead-Gods-2e?affiliate_id=820" target="_blank"><em>Dead Gods</em></a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dregoth, the undead sorcerer-king of Giustenal, spent centuries traveling the Great Wheel thanks to an artifact known as the <em>Planar Gate</em>, in an attempt to find out how to become a true god (source: <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17200/City-By-the-Silt-Sea-2e?affiliate_id=820" target="_blank"><em>City By the Silt Sea</em></a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reaching Athas via planar travel was difficult, but not impossible, with varying percentage chances of success depending on whether you were traveling to/from the Inner Planes or Outer Planes (source: <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17207/Defilers-and-Preservers-The-Wizards-of-Athas-2e?affiliate_id=820" target="_blank"><em>Defilers and Preservers: The Wizards of Athas</em></a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At one point, the githyanki actually attempted to invade Athas, with local PCs fighting them off (source: <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17197/DSE2-Black-Spine-2e?affiliate_id=820" target="_blank"><em>DSE2 Black Spine</em></a>).</li> </ul><p>There are plenty of other references to other planes in Dark Sun books, and references to Dark Sun in planar books, as well; those are just off the top of my head.</p><p></p><p>They should have done more play-testing, to be sure, but releasing eight books in one year isn't a ridiculous output of material in and of itself.</p><p></p><p><em>Please note my use of affiliate links in this post.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 8229354, member: 8461"] No, I think they do support that particular point, which is that so long as a pretext can be established - and those crossovers do exactly that, regardless of whether you find the writing terrible or not - then the charop is justifiable, regardless of how flimsy it is. I didn't say "frequently," I said repeatedly. While I suspect that you'll look at any number of examples and call them "rare," Dark Sun was referenced in Planescape multiple times, and planar references likewise came up in Dark Sun more often than you might think. Consider the following: [LIST] [*]"New Tyr" was a neighborhood of refugees from Tyr (several hundred of them) living in the Lady's Ward of Sigil (source: [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17299/Faction-War-2e?affiliate_id=820'][I]Faction War[/I][/URL]). [*]Jemorille the Exile is a rilmani who claims (dubiously) to have been the one to teach Rajaat arcane magic (source: [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17285/Uncaged-Faces-of-Sigil-2e?affiliate_id=820'][I]Uncaged: Faces of Sigil[/I][/URL]). [*]Tenebrous, the guise that Orcus assumed during his brief pseudo-resurrection, went to Athas and retrieved a rhul-thaun life-shaped creation from there in a (failed) attempt to recreate an avatar for himself (source: [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17297/Dead-Gods-2e?affiliate_id=820'][I]Dead Gods[/I][/URL]). [*]Dregoth, the undead sorcerer-king of Giustenal, spent centuries traveling the Great Wheel thanks to an artifact known as the [I]Planar Gate[/I], in an attempt to find out how to become a true god (source: [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17200/City-By-the-Silt-Sea-2e?affiliate_id=820'][I]City By the Silt Sea[/I][/URL]). [*]Reaching Athas via planar travel was difficult, but not impossible, with varying percentage chances of success depending on whether you were traveling to/from the Inner Planes or Outer Planes (source: [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17207/Defilers-and-Preservers-The-Wizards-of-Athas-2e?affiliate_id=820'][I]Defilers and Preservers: The Wizards of Athas[/I][/URL]). [*]At one point, the githyanki actually attempted to invade Athas, with local PCs fighting them off (source: [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17197/DSE2-Black-Spine-2e?affiliate_id=820'][I]DSE2 Black Spine[/I][/URL]). [/LIST] There are plenty of other references to other planes in Dark Sun books, and references to Dark Sun in planar books, as well; those are just off the top of my head. They should have done more play-testing, to be sure, but releasing eight books in one year isn't a ridiculous output of material in and of itself. [I]Please note my use of affiliate links in this post.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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