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30th-level PC versus kingdom--who wins?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jürgen Hubert" data-source="post: 3893303" data-attributes="member: 7177"><p>Been there, done that.</p><p></p><p>Really, at this stage of the campaign the PCs have likely done things like that for 30 levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are still thinking in terms of physical combat when it is <em>social</em> combat you should be worried about.</p><p></p><p>Just because you are sitting on the throne doesn't mean that you actually run everything in your nation directly - or that everyone tells you what is really going on. Becoming an effective ruler <em>without</em> being seen as a tyrant will be quite a challenge. Besides, the old power centers (merchant houses, noble families) are still out there and they are not likely to stop their scheming just because there's a new guy at the top - but you can't just get rid of them because they are the only ones with the skills to keep the country running.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you are thinking too much in terms of violence. In such a scenario, the PCs have likely proven to be so powerful that most others will realize that using violence to remove them isn't going to work.</p><p></p><p>Instead, those people will attempt to make the PCs unpopular enough that they will leave out of their own accord (if they have a strong sense of ethics) or else see what they can get away with to further their own agendas.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like I said: Been there, done that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As Real Word history has shown, holding an election does not automatically translate into a stable and prosperous democracy. Even in the best cases (i.e. post-WWII Germany) it took a lengthy occupation and large-scale social engineering to pull it off. The same will even be more true of the typical pseudo-medieval D&D setting where most people haven't even <em>heard</em> of democracy. If all the PCs do is call for election and then get out of the place, they will likely find once they return that the nation has collapsed under its internal squabbles, a new strongman has arisen in place of the old, or a larger neighboring nation has used its weakness to occupy it.</p><p></p><p>In the meantime, thousands of people have died or become refugees. And it is <em>their</em> fault because they couldn't be bothered to do a better job when they had the chance. So, do they really want this on their conscience?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jürgen Hubert, post: 3893303, member: 7177"] Been there, done that. Really, at this stage of the campaign the PCs have likely done things like that for 30 levels. You are still thinking in terms of physical combat when it is [i]social[/i] combat you should be worried about. Just because you are sitting on the throne doesn't mean that you actually run everything in your nation directly - or that everyone tells you what is really going on. Becoming an effective ruler [i]without[/i] being seen as a tyrant will be quite a challenge. Besides, the old power centers (merchant houses, noble families) are still out there and they are not likely to stop their scheming just because there's a new guy at the top - but you can't just get rid of them because they are the only ones with the skills to keep the country running. Again, you are thinking too much in terms of violence. In such a scenario, the PCs have likely proven to be so powerful that most others will realize that using violence to remove them isn't going to work. Instead, those people will attempt to make the PCs unpopular enough that they will leave out of their own accord (if they have a strong sense of ethics) or else see what they can get away with to further their own agendas. Like I said: Been there, done that. As Real Word history has shown, holding an election does not automatically translate into a stable and prosperous democracy. Even in the best cases (i.e. post-WWII Germany) it took a lengthy occupation and large-scale social engineering to pull it off. The same will even be more true of the typical pseudo-medieval D&D setting where most people haven't even [i]heard[/i] of democracy. If all the PCs do is call for election and then get out of the place, they will likely find once they return that the nation has collapsed under its internal squabbles, a new strongman has arisen in place of the old, or a larger neighboring nation has used its weakness to occupy it. In the meantime, thousands of people have died or become refugees. And it is [i]their[/i] fault because they couldn't be bothered to do a better job when they had the chance. So, do they really want this on their conscience? [/QUOTE]
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