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<blockquote data-quote="fanboy2000" data-source="post: 4963019" data-attributes="member: 19998">That makes sense. My confusion came from the contrast to OGL products.[tangent]That said, would you consider ECL and LA added with the publication of Savage Species? Because that book's release pre-dates 3.5 by a few months.[/tangent]IIRC, Swordmage is included in Arcane Power and a template exists for making Swordmage NPCs in DMG2.I wouldn't consider adding a new class adding complexity, though the proliferation of PrCs in 3.x temps me to do so. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The 3e DMG had a section on using the MM as a source for new PC races, and it had NPC tables where it was possible to infer what the stat adjustments were for several monster NPCs, but there was no mention of ECL or LA.I think it's interesting that while FRCS had major rules additions in it (rules useful to people who otherwise wouldn't want to play in FR), but the Eberron Campaign Setting didn't. In fact, none of the new races it introduced had level adjustments. Epic level NPCs, also introduced in the FRCS, were rare or non-existant.I don't think that either one is better or worse for those reasons. I bought and used both books. I do think it's interesting, because of what it implies about player and DM support for ECL and LA after the release of 3.5.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fanboy2000, post: 4963019, member: 19998"] That makes sense. My confusion came from the contrast to OGL products. [tangent]That said, would you consider ECL and LA added with the publication of Savage Species? Because that book's release pre-dates 3.5 by a few months.[/tangent] IIRC, Swordmage is included in Arcane Power and a template exists for making Swordmage NPCs in DMG2. I wouldn't consider adding a new class adding complexity, though the proliferation of PrCs in 3.x temps me to do so. ;) The 3e DMG had a section on using the MM as a source for new PC races, and it had NPC tables where it was possible to infer what the stat adjustments were for several monster NPCs, but there was no mention of ECL or LA. I think it's interesting that while FRCS had major rules additions in it (rules useful to people who otherwise wouldn't want to play in FR), but the Eberron Campaign Setting didn't. In fact, none of the new races it introduced had level adjustments. Epic level NPCs, also introduced in the FRCS, were rare or non-existant. I don't think that either one is better or worse for those reasons. I bought and used both books. I do think it's interesting, because of what it implies about player and DM support for ECL and LA after the release of 3.5. [/QUOTE]

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