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3e, 4e, and Group Schisms
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<blockquote data-quote="GnomeWorks" data-source="post: 4472229" data-attributes="member: 162"><p>I'm curious.</p><p></p><p>4e seems to have polarized the community quite a bit, but I hear that 3e did the same - unfortunately, I was a bit too young to be paying attention to that kind of thing, so I have no idea as to the truth of these statements. Either way, I'm not really interested in having that discussion.</p><p></p><p>What I am interested in is if 3e caused the same kind of in-group schisms that 4e seems to be causing. Not to say that 4e-based schisms are widespread, but they certainly seem more common - to me - than 3e-based schisms.</p><p></p><p>By "group schism," I mean an event that causes an almost or complete breaking-up of the gaming group: at least one person stops playing with the group; at least one person stops playing with the group unless they do not use the schism-causing edition; or the group dissolves entirely.</p><p></p><p>Note that only difficulties that arise in a group due to the editions in question are relevant for this poll; if a person leaves a group during an edition change due to other circumstances, that doesn't count as the edition in question causing the schism.</p><p></p><p><strong>Poll Option Descriptions</strong></p><p>Note that the phrase "attempted to convert" is used to cover any and all circumstances under which a group would come to play the indicated edition, whether this is by a single player showing interest and attempting to sway opinion, or if the whole group is involved in the decision-making process. Any amount of consideration of converting to an edition is considered an "attempt to convert."</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Neither 3e nor 4e caused a group schism:</strong> Your group either converted to or started with 3e, which caused no difficulties. Your group has since converted to 4e, which caused no issues.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>3e did not cause a group schism; have not tried to convert group to 4e:</strong> Your group either started with or converted to 3e, which caused no difficulties. Your group has not yet attempted to convert to 4e.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>3e caused a group schism; have not tried to convert group to 4e:</strong> Your group attempted to convert to 3e, but suffered a group schism in attempting to do so. Your current group has not attempted to convert to 4e.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>3e caused a group schism; 4e did not cause a group schism:</strong> Your group attempted to convert to 3e, but suffered a group schism in attempting to do so. Your current group has converted to 4e without suffering a schism.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>3e did not cause a group schism; 4e caused a group schism:</strong> Your group either started with or converted to 3e, which did not pose any difficulties. Your group has since attempted to convert to 4e, which resulted in a group schism.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Have not tried to convert group to 3e; 4e did not cause a group schism:</strong> Your group either did not start with or attempt to convert to 3e (you either skipped the edition entirely, or were playing some other game, or not gaming at the time). Your group has converted to 4e, which did not cause a schism.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Have not tried to convert group to 3e; 4e caused a group schism:</strong> Your group either did not start with or attempt to convert to 3e (you either skipped the edition entirely, or were playing some other game, or not gaming at the time). Your group has attempted to convert to 4e, which caused a group schism.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Both 3e and 4e caused a group schism:</strong> Your group attempted to convert to 3e, which caused a group schism. Your current group attempted to convert to 4e, which also caused a group schism.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Other:</strong> You feel that the poll options inadequately describe your situation. If you select this option, please describe the events that transpired.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GnomeWorks, post: 4472229, member: 162"] I'm curious. 4e seems to have polarized the community quite a bit, but I hear that 3e did the same - unfortunately, I was a bit too young to be paying attention to that kind of thing, so I have no idea as to the truth of these statements. Either way, I'm not really interested in having that discussion. What I am interested in is if 3e caused the same kind of in-group schisms that 4e seems to be causing. Not to say that 4e-based schisms are widespread, but they certainly seem more common - to me - than 3e-based schisms. By "group schism," I mean an event that causes an almost or complete breaking-up of the gaming group: at least one person stops playing with the group; at least one person stops playing with the group unless they do not use the schism-causing edition; or the group dissolves entirely. Note that only difficulties that arise in a group due to the editions in question are relevant for this poll; if a person leaves a group during an edition change due to other circumstances, that doesn't count as the edition in question causing the schism. [b]Poll Option Descriptions[/b] Note that the phrase "attempted to convert" is used to cover any and all circumstances under which a group would come to play the indicated edition, whether this is by a single player showing interest and attempting to sway opinion, or if the whole group is involved in the decision-making process. Any amount of consideration of converting to an edition is considered an "attempt to convert." [list][*][b]Neither 3e nor 4e caused a group schism:[/b] Your group either converted to or started with 3e, which caused no difficulties. Your group has since converted to 4e, which caused no issues. [*][b]3e did not cause a group schism; have not tried to convert group to 4e:[/b] Your group either started with or converted to 3e, which caused no difficulties. Your group has not yet attempted to convert to 4e. [*][b]3e caused a group schism; have not tried to convert group to 4e:[/b] Your group attempted to convert to 3e, but suffered a group schism in attempting to do so. Your current group has not attempted to convert to 4e. [*][b]3e caused a group schism; 4e did not cause a group schism:[/b] Your group attempted to convert to 3e, but suffered a group schism in attempting to do so. Your current group has converted to 4e without suffering a schism. [*][b]3e did not cause a group schism; 4e caused a group schism:[/b] Your group either started with or converted to 3e, which did not pose any difficulties. Your group has since attempted to convert to 4e, which resulted in a group schism. [*][b]Have not tried to convert group to 3e; 4e did not cause a group schism:[/b] Your group either did not start with or attempt to convert to 3e (you either skipped the edition entirely, or were playing some other game, or not gaming at the time). Your group has converted to 4e, which did not cause a schism. [*][b]Have not tried to convert group to 3e; 4e caused a group schism:[/b] Your group either did not start with or attempt to convert to 3e (you either skipped the edition entirely, or were playing some other game, or not gaming at the time). Your group has attempted to convert to 4e, which caused a group schism. [*][b]Both 3e and 4e caused a group schism:[/b] Your group attempted to convert to 3e, which caused a group schism. Your current group attempted to convert to 4e, which also caused a group schism. [*][b]Other:[/b] You feel that the poll options inadequately describe your situation. If you select this option, please describe the events that transpired.[/list] [/QUOTE]
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