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<blockquote data-quote="N0Man" data-source="post: 5021567" data-attributes="member: 64066"><p>This has been my perception of things as well. I've played D&D casually in various forms for 20 years now, and 4E is definitely my favorite. I can still criticize some elements, and it's not perfect, but I have no interest in playing previous versions any longer. However, it feels silly to me to "hate" 3E or any other version.</p><p></p><p>In fact, I don't know anyone that prefers 4E, and hates 3E. However, I know many who prefer 3E and hate 4E.</p><p></p><p>Some seem to use the lack of 3E hate as some kind of proof that 3E is better because it's less hated than 4E is. I tend to think that it's more about a lot of 4E haters are overreacting, have have bought into a lot of the 4E-bashing propaganda on the net without any real critical thinking being involved. I especially think the latter when I hear the exact same catchphrase criticisms being parroted continuously, despite the fact that they are misleading, exaggerated, or don't hold up to real scrutiny. This isn't to say there aren't valid criticisms, however there are a number that are without merit that keep being echoed.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes I think there is a slight parallel in the introduction of 4E and the introduction of New Coke in the 80's. There were a lot of people who preferred New Coke, and sales of Coke actually went up over the previous year, but there was a huge backlash of anger by a small minority of customers. I'm talking extreme and irrational anger.</p><p></p><p>One story goes that an elderly woman hit a Coke deliveryman with an umbrella while he was restocking New Coke, yelling "It tastes like S***!"</p><p></p><p>I don't hate 3E, and I don't think 4E is perfect. I don't think that everyone who prefers 3E is a "4E hater", but a small number of them are. However, from those that are the haters, I find the attacks (both implied or explicit) on 4E players because of their preference to be extremely tiresome. I don't go around insulting individual's intelligence or character based on their game preference.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N0Man, post: 5021567, member: 64066"] This has been my perception of things as well. I've played D&D casually in various forms for 20 years now, and 4E is definitely my favorite. I can still criticize some elements, and it's not perfect, but I have no interest in playing previous versions any longer. However, it feels silly to me to "hate" 3E or any other version. In fact, I don't know anyone that prefers 4E, and hates 3E. However, I know many who prefer 3E and hate 4E. Some seem to use the lack of 3E hate as some kind of proof that 3E is better because it's less hated than 4E is. I tend to think that it's more about a lot of 4E haters are overreacting, have have bought into a lot of the 4E-bashing propaganda on the net without any real critical thinking being involved. I especially think the latter when I hear the exact same catchphrase criticisms being parroted continuously, despite the fact that they are misleading, exaggerated, or don't hold up to real scrutiny. This isn't to say there aren't valid criticisms, however there are a number that are without merit that keep being echoed. Sometimes I think there is a slight parallel in the introduction of 4E and the introduction of New Coke in the 80's. There were a lot of people who preferred New Coke, and sales of Coke actually went up over the previous year, but there was a huge backlash of anger by a small minority of customers. I'm talking extreme and irrational anger. One story goes that an elderly woman hit a Coke deliveryman with an umbrella while he was restocking New Coke, yelling "It tastes like S***!" I don't hate 3E, and I don't think 4E is perfect. I don't think that everyone who prefers 3E is a "4E hater", but a small number of them are. However, from those that are the haters, I find the attacks (both implied or explicit) on 4E players because of their preference to be extremely tiresome. I don't go around insulting individual's intelligence or character based on their game preference. [/QUOTE]
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