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Message: <blockquote data-quote="N0Man" data-source="post: 5022905" data-attributes="member: 64066">I'm not sure you are interpreting what I'm saying as what I'm meaning to say.  I'm not saying that there aren't players that are hateful and spiteful to eachother on both sides.  I'm saying that the actual hatred for the *game* itself seems less from 4E players than 3E players.That's something that was supported by one of the 3E players earlier, as he characterized 4E players as attacking 3E players and not the game, while stating 3E players attack the game more.  I think he was putting a spin on it that I disagreed with, but I think that the basic facts are true and are consistent with my experience and observation.It is also supported by the fact that initially the results of the poll (before they were votes were stuffed) showed that the number of players who supported one edition or the other weren't really that drastically far apart, however there were twice as many people who really disliked 4E as they did 3E.  Again, there were 3E advocates that spun this to imply a conclusion that I disagreed with, but again the basic facts seemed to be consistent with my experience and observation.I'm not claiming that the trolling is one sided, or that the arguments are one sided, or criticisms are one sided.  Far from it.What I am stating is that there is less reason for the feeling of hatred and bitterness towards 3E than there is of 4E.  Many 3E players feel a sense of betrayal and abandonment, and feel like WotC ruined their game with the new edition.  Not all of them are fighting edition wars (but sure, some are), but they do have an actual animosity towards 4E and WotC for making what they see as a flawed game presently.However, there isn't really an analogous reason for people who played 3E originally and adopted 4E to feel a similar animosity.  They might see the old system as dated or clunky, and there might be mechanics that they are irritated by and glad to be rid of, but it's far less likely to break down into outright animosity towards the game, and they are even less likely to feel animosity towards WotC for making what they think was a flawed game in the past!So, my argument is not only based on the very argument that 2 3E advocates made previously in this thread, the pre-stuffed poll results, my personal experiences and observation, but also what is intuitively logical assesment of the social responses to this edition change.</blockquote>

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