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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hairfoot" data-source="post: 5024975" data-attributes="member: 23732">3E characters are definitely powered up a notch compared to previous editions, but IME it's possible to change the setting around them so that their power, relatively, is as low or high as the game group wants it.The rigidity of 4E doesn't permit that option.  The PCs are vastly superior to the norm whether you like it or not.  For some people that's fun as all get-out.  For me it's a cheesy ego-trip.I'm currently running a Pathfinder game, and while the system pushes things toward super-ness, it's possible to keep it to a mortal level.Indeed.  I started with BECMI, played through 1E & 2E, took a break to wargame for a few years, and came back with the release of 3E, so I'm not criticising 4E from nowhere.I'd be very interested to know how many players of older editions went on to 4E.  I'd run a poll, but it would probably tell us that 99% of 4E players started with OD&D.My observation, however, is that most of the 4E fans here joined the site since 3E was released, with many, perhaps half, joining in the last 2.  That suggests to me that a) many 4E players started gaming with 3E, and the progression to 4E is more logical for them because they have nothing to compare it to, and b) 4E is Dungeons & Dragons designed for people who don't like Dungeons & Dragons.  Vancian casting and loose rules aren't for everyone, so I think 4E appeals to people who enjoy highly systematic games and few abstractions, which, not co-incidentally, are features of M:tG.</blockquote>

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