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<blockquote data-quote="Jackelope King" data-source="post: 2546314" data-attributes="member: 31454"><p>The problem is not that there is a misunderstanding that things are optional, but a misunderstanding that players and DMs can and should work together on creating characters which fit the game and the player's tastes. I've never seen a player say that he'll take PrC X... it's always that he'll ask the DM if he can take PrC X. If a player comes up to you and says that he'd like to take levels in the dervish PrC. You've already decided that there is no real "Arabia" area of your setting for a coven of whirling dervishes to come from.</p><p></p><p>Do you just tell the player no? Or do you talk it over to adapt the flavor to your game?</p><p></p><p>Too many players and DMs refuse to even consider the second option. The player wanted the mechanics of the dervish. Couldn't the player and the DM sit down and realize that while there are no Arabic areas of the setting, the flavor of the class would fit well for the hispanic area of the setting. Instead of being a whirling dervish, it's a class for warriors who blend flaminco into their fighting style. The flavor given in the books is optional, and many DMs and players either don't realize that the mechanics can exist independent of the given flavor or they don't care enough to make the adaptations themselves. As a DM, my default answer is, "Yes, but talk to me about how it'll fit into the game. If we can't fit it in, the answer is no, but we won't give up on it easily."</p><p></p><p>This makes for the most satisfying gaming experience for myself and my group: players have the options they want for their characters and the DM retains a sense of consistency throughout the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jackelope King, post: 2546314, member: 31454"] The problem is not that there is a misunderstanding that things are optional, but a misunderstanding that players and DMs can and should work together on creating characters which fit the game and the player's tastes. I've never seen a player say that he'll take PrC X... it's always that he'll ask the DM if he can take PrC X. If a player comes up to you and says that he'd like to take levels in the dervish PrC. You've already decided that there is no real "Arabia" area of your setting for a coven of whirling dervishes to come from. Do you just tell the player no? Or do you talk it over to adapt the flavor to your game? Too many players and DMs refuse to even consider the second option. The player wanted the mechanics of the dervish. Couldn't the player and the DM sit down and realize that while there are no Arabic areas of the setting, the flavor of the class would fit well for the hispanic area of the setting. Instead of being a whirling dervish, it's a class for warriors who blend flaminco into their fighting style. The flavor given in the books is optional, and many DMs and players either don't realize that the mechanics can exist independent of the given flavor or they don't care enough to make the adaptations themselves. As a DM, my default answer is, "Yes, but talk to me about how it'll fit into the game. If we can't fit it in, the answer is no, but we won't give up on it easily." This makes for the most satisfying gaming experience for myself and my group: players have the options they want for their characters and the DM retains a sense of consistency throughout the game. [/QUOTE]
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