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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 2555117" data-attributes="member: 2268"><p>No, it doesn't mean that <strong>any</strong> CR7 creature from this moment cannot be intimidated anymore. It just means that some DMs adjudicate the chance of that gnome successfully intimidating <strong>this</strong> dragon, even a young one, while it's busy chomping on his comrades, as Zero without adding up the numbers and modifiers. To take up Quasqueton's example, in the case of a looming TPK by the dragon, that "DM's friend" would have been an easy +4 (in my game, of course), and the result would have been the same...no chance to Intimidate. It's about adjudicating the situation, not about rewriting the whole game.</p><p></p><p>As for the matter of Dragons being immune to Intimidation because they are "cool" critters...I don't know if they changed it in 3.5E, but in 3E all dragons are immune against the Frightful Presence of their own kindred...so why should a dragon all of a sudden be intimidated by a 3' tall axe-swinging gnome, if it won't be intimidated by even the eldest of its own race? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> As far as I know, a paladin who is immune against <em>fear</em> effects is also immune against Intimidation, is he not?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 2555117, member: 2268"] No, it doesn't mean that [b]any[/b] CR7 creature from this moment cannot be intimidated anymore. It just means that some DMs adjudicate the chance of that gnome successfully intimidating [b]this[/b] dragon, even a young one, while it's busy chomping on his comrades, as Zero without adding up the numbers and modifiers. To take up Quasqueton's example, in the case of a looming TPK by the dragon, that "DM's friend" would have been an easy +4 (in my game, of course), and the result would have been the same...no chance to Intimidate. It's about adjudicating the situation, not about rewriting the whole game. As for the matter of Dragons being immune to Intimidation because they are "cool" critters...I don't know if they changed it in 3.5E, but in 3E all dragons are immune against the Frightful Presence of their own kindred...so why should a dragon all of a sudden be intimidated by a 3' tall axe-swinging gnome, if it won't be intimidated by even the eldest of its own race? :) As far as I know, a paladin who is immune against [i]fear[/i] effects is also immune against Intimidation, is he not? [/QUOTE]
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