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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 2556725" data-attributes="member: 2268">Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to nitpick here maliciously or anything...I'm just taking your advice on reading the rules, and at least from my 3E point of view, it won't work, because...A mature adult red dragon has 25 HD...which simply trumps the monk's 20 levels. So I guess I can say safely that this 20th level gnome monk won't be able to kill that dragon. It would work with a young adult dragon, if I read the MM correctly, though. But it also is a supernatural ability, not a mundane skill. No nerve strikes with Knowledge (Anatomy]. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> And to repeat what I said before...it isn't about rewriting the game, it's about adjudicating a specific situation. A situation in which a gnome barbarian (diminuitive foe) who is part of a group that gets its collective butt kicked by a dragon thrice his size tries to intimidate the same dragon. As a DM, I HAVE to ask myself (and the player in question) what reason there should be in that situation for an intimidation attempt to be an action that could be even remotely successful. If that barbarian flies into a rage and manages to hit the dragon for some nice damage, and tries the intimidation attempt the round after, sure, you have the "rat in a corner effect" or whatever you want to call it. Might even be good for a circumstance bonus. But out of the blue?Comparing this specific situation to something general, or the supernatural Quivering Palm to the mundane Intimidate skill, does not really do this justice either, does it? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> And in the end, it should be a question from the player to the DM if he allows a skill check, not a demand that he should be allowed under all circumstances, just because the short skill description in the PHB only gives a few examples how it should work instead of a heap of exceptions when it shouldn't. That's what the DM is there for, even in 3E...to judge if a situation and a player idea warrant a check of any kind.</blockquote>

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