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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 2567130" data-attributes="member: 20805"><p>Rasyr,.. yes 'core assumptions' are being bandied about.. and we all know what assuming means.</p><p></p><p> However, show up at a basketball court. Get some folks together to play some 5 on 5 and take the position of outside guard. Spend all your time working inside at the hoop and when the rest of your team complains tell them its your style.</p><p></p><p> If I sit down at your DnD game, I will assume that certain things work the way the rules say they work. I will assume that a +9 ride skill and certain feats will be more than enough to make me a heroic mounted combat machine.</p><p> Then, in play, I learn that a quickmount manuever is impossible for my character to accomplish....meaning I cannot chase down the Expiditious Retreating BBG ? Eh? </p><p> My assumption that quickmount DC 20 is something my mounted focused character can do with about a 50% chance of success. This is based on the rules of the game.</p><p> Or that the Mage {Dex 10, no Ride skill } fights from horseback just as well as I can....?</p><p> Your style of not allowing quickmount, for whatever reason, makes me wonder why I bother spending points in Ride in the first place.</p><p> And for the record, I had a game that this very thing happened. </p><p></p><p>Players will get argumentative and throw rules in the DM's face when they had made decisions based on rules that have been changed/altered or completely ignored without thier knowledge.</p><p></p><p>Earlier editions did not suffer this as much because the ruleset was so full of holes, houseruling was expected. There was very little the player could assume when walking up to the table. This made moving from one game to the next difficult and sometimes impossible.</p><p>3x is a common ground where movement from game to game should be easy.</p><p></p><p>I have to agree with the CrowKings reasoning, my game started at 100% xp just to get them out of the early death levels, and has scaled back to 60% at 3rd level.. probably scale farther back as they hit 6th.</p><p></p><p> As to the economics... logic cannot really come into play. Recently had a chance to talk to one of my players about his Monk's goals. He mentioned starting a monestary in the local area.. to which I had to ask for him to change his mind. We had just finished a by the book module {core wealth level treasure award for 4 PC's split between 9} and he could have pulled off his 'long term' goal right there and then. Another character took Brew Potion and can spend a day to make a Cure Light potion..for a RAW cost of 1 xp and 50 gp... The only reason she did not retire an make potions for the rest of her life was that she would have to move to the cities to find clientele who could afford them... and RP considerations as she is hunting her fathers killers to bring them to justice.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway.. I find myself agreeing with the comments on this thread.. from all parties. I think its more of a communication issue than anything else at this point <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Seems that some folks {myself included} are bringing our assumptions as to how this system is supposed to work to this thread!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 2567130, member: 20805"] Rasyr,.. yes 'core assumptions' are being bandied about.. and we all know what assuming means. However, show up at a basketball court. Get some folks together to play some 5 on 5 and take the position of outside guard. Spend all your time working inside at the hoop and when the rest of your team complains tell them its your style. If I sit down at your DnD game, I will assume that certain things work the way the rules say they work. I will assume that a +9 ride skill and certain feats will be more than enough to make me a heroic mounted combat machine. Then, in play, I learn that a quickmount manuever is impossible for my character to accomplish....meaning I cannot chase down the Expiditious Retreating BBG ? Eh? My assumption that quickmount DC 20 is something my mounted focused character can do with about a 50% chance of success. This is based on the rules of the game. Or that the Mage {Dex 10, no Ride skill } fights from horseback just as well as I can....? Your style of not allowing quickmount, for whatever reason, makes me wonder why I bother spending points in Ride in the first place. And for the record, I had a game that this very thing happened. Players will get argumentative and throw rules in the DM's face when they had made decisions based on rules that have been changed/altered or completely ignored without thier knowledge. Earlier editions did not suffer this as much because the ruleset was so full of holes, houseruling was expected. There was very little the player could assume when walking up to the table. This made moving from one game to the next difficult and sometimes impossible. 3x is a common ground where movement from game to game should be easy. I have to agree with the CrowKings reasoning, my game started at 100% xp just to get them out of the early death levels, and has scaled back to 60% at 3rd level.. probably scale farther back as they hit 6th. As to the economics... logic cannot really come into play. Recently had a chance to talk to one of my players about his Monk's goals. He mentioned starting a monestary in the local area.. to which I had to ask for him to change his mind. We had just finished a by the book module {core wealth level treasure award for 4 PC's split between 9} and he could have pulled off his 'long term' goal right there and then. Another character took Brew Potion and can spend a day to make a Cure Light potion..for a RAW cost of 1 xp and 50 gp... The only reason she did not retire an make potions for the rest of her life was that she would have to move to the cities to find clientele who could afford them... and RP considerations as she is hunting her fathers killers to bring them to justice. Anyway.. I find myself agreeing with the comments on this thread.. from all parties. I think its more of a communication issue than anything else at this point :) Seems that some folks {myself included} are bringing our assumptions as to how this system is supposed to work to this thread! [/QUOTE]
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