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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 2568739" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Well, I think that you are forgetting the general nature of the D&D rules. They are abstractions. For the purposes of rules, saying that you have a particular item creation feat means that you can create all associated items. For the purposes of role-playing, this may not be the case. While I have yet to see a PC take an item creation feat and then claim that (despite the rules) he only knows how to make a limited set of items, this is pretty common practice for DMs. Similarly, the DM might create an armourer in a village who works chain but does not work plate.</p><p></p><p>The abstract nature of the rules does little to limit feats, but DMs create part of the feel of their worlds by deciding which feats are given to various NPCs. You could easily create a campaign in which there is no one, living or dead, who has ever made a magic item before the PCs come along. A bit extreme, I know, but the point ought to be clear. The DM does not have to allow NPCs the same latitude he allows PCs. This requires no rules changes whatsoever....you could even give the same general value of treasure, if you wanted to.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I repeat:</p><p></p><p>As for the cleric sitting on his duff and cranking out continual flames:</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">(b) Perhaps you missed the part where I said "I am using a setting that, by WotC standards, is definately low-magic and <strong><em>low-wealth</em></strong>" (emphasis mine). Good luck finding the people willing and able to pay for your continual flames at 1000% profit. Could you make a profit? Yes. Could you make the profit you are implying? No.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">(d) You also apparently missed the part where I said, "Some spellcasters in the past have caused problems that cause people to look down upon them." Genetically modified foods may (or may not) be perfectly safe, but that doesn't mean that everyone is comfortable with the idea. Now, remove the easy transfer of ideas that the modern era creates and add the fact that the genetically modified foods have, in the past, gotten up and eaten the farmers. Continual flame may be perfectly safe (and even without changing the RAW, it may not be if after a time the flames attract fire elementals, for example, or ethereal filchers), but how do you convince your target market of that fact? Show that you aren't burned by the flames? You're a spellcaster, though, and only the gods know what powers you might have.....!</p><p></p><p></p><p>As the original poster, I will point out that the post you are referring to included:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And, again, YMMV, but I find that the core assumptions give rise to far worse logical inconsistencies. For example, if the standard XP and wealth progression is used, where is all the money coming from? Shouldn't epic characters be a dime a dozen? Why haven't they wiped out all the low-level monsters long, long ago? Or at the very least, consigned them to zoos or private reserves?</p><p></p><p>Etc., etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 2568739, member: 18280"] Well, I think that you are forgetting the general nature of the D&D rules. They are abstractions. For the purposes of rules, saying that you have a particular item creation feat means that you can create all associated items. For the purposes of role-playing, this may not be the case. While I have yet to see a PC take an item creation feat and then claim that (despite the rules) he only knows how to make a limited set of items, this is pretty common practice for DMs. Similarly, the DM might create an armourer in a village who works chain but does not work plate. The abstract nature of the rules does little to limit feats, but DMs create part of the feel of their worlds by deciding which feats are given to various NPCs. You could easily create a campaign in which there is no one, living or dead, who has ever made a magic item before the PCs come along. A bit extreme, I know, but the point ought to be clear. The DM does not have to allow NPCs the same latitude he allows PCs. This requires no rules changes whatsoever....you could even give the same general value of treasure, if you wanted to. I repeat: As for the cleric sitting on his duff and cranking out continual flames: [INDENT](b) Perhaps you missed the part where I said "I am using a setting that, by WotC standards, is definately low-magic and [B][I]low-wealth[/I][/B]" (emphasis mine). Good luck finding the people willing and able to pay for your continual flames at 1000% profit. Could you make a profit? Yes. Could you make the profit you are implying? No. (d) You also apparently missed the part where I said, "Some spellcasters in the past have caused problems that cause people to look down upon them." Genetically modified foods may (or may not) be perfectly safe, but that doesn't mean that everyone is comfortable with the idea. Now, remove the easy transfer of ideas that the modern era creates and add the fact that the genetically modified foods have, in the past, gotten up and eaten the farmers. Continual flame may be perfectly safe (and even without changing the RAW, it may not be if after a time the flames attract fire elementals, for example, or ethereal filchers), but how do you convince your target market of that fact? Show that you aren't burned by the flames? You're a spellcaster, though, and only the gods know what powers you might have.....![/INDENT] As the original poster, I will point out that the post you are referring to included: And, again, YMMV, but I find that the core assumptions give rise to far worse logical inconsistencies. For example, if the standard XP and wealth progression is used, where is all the money coming from? Shouldn't epic characters be a dime a dozen? Why haven't they wiped out all the low-level monsters long, long ago? Or at the very least, consigned them to zoos or private reserves? Etc., etc. RC [/QUOTE]
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