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<blockquote data-quote="jasper" data-source="post: 2575845" data-attributes="member: 277">Jackelope….But the player has seen Casino and Goodfellas and he knows not to judge someone based on their size, because there's a very good possibility that the shrimp is a psychopath who will pop your eyeball out in a vice given half a chance. Ohh goody the old, I saw on Tv, so my pc must be able to do to. Works in your intimidate example but what if player been watching Power Rangers or Chinese Hong Kong Fu Saturday karate movies?Shaman ,,,Second, too many rules is cumbersome. Some folks have argued that it &quot;only take a minute&quot; to look up a rule and apply it.&nbsp; You need to add. “per book in play” after minute there.Patryn you talking out both sides of your keyboard. Yes the dm can change the dc for the wall for some of those reasons especially if protecting the lab. But just because your pc with +15 climb knows he can climb a normal brick wall (and may notice the yummy slime mold on it) he does not know Andy Alchemist wall is any but a normal wall until he starts up it. So then you get players (not all) who say “you said was a normal wall! Whine!”. Dm “I said appeared to be a normal wall.” Then KODT “surprise” Stirp the bad players zero on to key words Appears, Maybe etc. “Again, not all changes are arbitrary, nor do the characters necessarily know everything that is going on at the moment.” Quoted for truth. And this statement all gamers need to learn and know my heart.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jasper, post: 2575845, member: 277"] Jackelope….But the player has seen Casino and Goodfellas and he knows not to judge someone based on their size, because there's a very good possibility that the shrimp is a psychopath who will pop your eyeball out in a vice given half a chance. Ohh goody the old, I saw on Tv, so my pc must be able to do to. Works in your intimidate example but what if player been watching Power Rangers or Chinese Hong Kong Fu Saturday karate movies? Shaman ,,,Second, too many rules is cumbersome. Some folks have argued that it "only take a minute" to look up a rule and apply it. You need to add. “per book in play” after minute there. Patryn you talking out both sides of your keyboard. Yes the dm can change the dc for the wall for some of those reasons especially if protecting the lab. But just because your pc with +15 climb knows he can climb a normal brick wall (and may notice the yummy slime mold on it) he does not know Andy Alchemist wall is any but a normal wall until he starts up it. So then you get players (not all) who say “you said was a normal wall! Whine!”. Dm “I said appeared to be a normal wall.” Then KODT “surprise” Stirp the bad players zero on to key words Appears, Maybe etc. “Again, not all changes are arbitrary, nor do the characters necessarily know everything that is going on at the moment.” Quoted for truth. And this statement all gamers need to learn and know my heart. [/QUOTE]

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