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<blockquote data-quote="Varianor Abroad" data-source="post: 2579441" data-attributes="member: 12425">Quoted for truth.I have a notebook from circa 1983 wherein I detail a number of elaborate plots and plans to kill a player's paladin character. (Looking back now I realize that he wanted to be a badass and the 1E paladin came as close as he could get. But it was not the right PC for what he wnated to do.) He was routinely reading the DMG and the adventures that I was running. Among the reasons I stopped running published adventures, this comes to mind. But I faithfully followed the instructions in the DMG to &quot;punish&quot; him, setting out a plan to kill him 18 times since he had an 18 Con. For those too new to the hobby to know, that meant he couldn't be resurrected after the 18th death since you lost 1 Con every raise.Did I ever finish the plan? Nope. I started to grow up. I since learned from that that experience (and others) there is no harm in letting people read the source material because they invest in the game. You just have to make up details that aren't in there to keep the mystery and wonder going. There are always going to be arguments, but I'd much rather have an informed argument. My friend wasn't a bad guy. We were all 16. I became a better DM and he became a better player. There have always been player/DM differences of opinion, but rather than try to enforce your throne, try sharing a little of the power. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Varianor Abroad, post: 2579441, member: 12425"] Quoted for truth. I have a notebook from circa 1983 wherein I detail a number of elaborate plots and plans to kill a player's paladin character. (Looking back now I realize that he wanted to be a badass and the 1E paladin came as close as he could get. But it was not the right PC for what he wnated to do.) He was routinely reading the DMG and the adventures that I was running. Among the reasons I stopped running published adventures, this comes to mind. But I faithfully followed the instructions in the DMG to "punish" him, setting out a plan to kill him 18 times since he had an 18 Con. For those too new to the hobby to know, that meant he couldn't be resurrected after the 18th death since you lost 1 Con every raise. Did I ever finish the plan? Nope. I started to grow up. I since learned from that that experience (and others) there is no harm in letting people read the source material because they invest in the game. You just have to make up details that aren't in there to keep the mystery and wonder going. There are always going to be arguments, but I'd much rather have an informed argument. My friend wasn't a bad guy. We were all 16. I became a better DM and he became a better player. There have always been player/DM differences of opinion, but rather than try to enforce your throne, try sharing a little of the power. :) [/QUOTE]

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