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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2579513" data-attributes="member: 22779">Now, I don't think anyone here is going to say that there are no bad players.&nbsp; That's certainly true that bad players exist.&nbsp; Then again, the point of this thread is, are players being empowered by the rules?&nbsp; Or, at least that's what I thought the point was.&nbsp; Now, there's nothing in the RAW that supports what this player is doing.&nbsp; The xp tables include lots of fudge factor.&nbsp; The fact that the player doesn't know the CR means that his actions are not supported by the RAW.&nbsp; I would also point out that doing the same thing in any other edition would be equally simple.&nbsp; Open up the MM and call out the number.&nbsp;&nbsp; It would actually be more accurate since xp for kills doesn't change.&nbsp; This is a case of a bad player, not a case of the rules supporting bad players.As for calculating the DC's, again, he doesn't have access to all the information, therefore, any calculation he makes is an estimate at best.&nbsp; To me, that's actually fairly realistic.&nbsp; If I'm a skilled person at doing X, then I probably have a pretty good idea whether or not I can do something or not.&nbsp; If I'm a gymnast, I should know if I can do a backflip or not.&nbsp; If I have X ranks in tumble, I probably have a pretty good idea how hard it is to do something.&nbsp; Now, if I try to say that my estimate should be taken as fact, regardless of what the DM says, then I should be smacked.&nbsp; That's a bad player.&nbsp; But, then again, that is not supported in the RAW either.&nbsp; Nothing in the RAW states that the DC's cannot be changed by the DM.&nbsp; In fact the RAW says that the DC's CAN be changed by the DM.It's funny, I've been collecting Dragon for the past year or so.&nbsp; In just about every issue, there is a new class or PrC or something for the players.&nbsp; And, in just about every issue, there is a caveat that anything in the magazine MUST be allowed by the DM before you can take it.&nbsp; I would say that's a pretty telling arguement that the rules actually support the DM, rather than the player.&nbsp; When the books flat out state that any material must be approved by the DM, then the player who insists that rule X must be used, has no leg to stand on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 2579513, member: 22779"] Now, I don't think anyone here is going to say that there are no bad players. That's certainly true that bad players exist. Then again, the point of this thread is, are players being empowered by the rules? Or, at least that's what I thought the point was. Now, there's nothing in the RAW that supports what this player is doing. The xp tables include lots of fudge factor. The fact that the player doesn't know the CR means that his actions are not supported by the RAW. I would also point out that doing the same thing in any other edition would be equally simple. Open up the MM and call out the number. It would actually be more accurate since xp for kills doesn't change. This is a case of a bad player, not a case of the rules supporting bad players. As for calculating the DC's, again, he doesn't have access to all the information, therefore, any calculation he makes is an estimate at best. To me, that's actually fairly realistic. If I'm a skilled person at doing X, then I probably have a pretty good idea whether or not I can do something or not. If I'm a gymnast, I should know if I can do a backflip or not. If I have X ranks in tumble, I probably have a pretty good idea how hard it is to do something. Now, if I try to say that my estimate should be taken as fact, regardless of what the DM says, then I should be smacked. That's a bad player. But, then again, that is not supported in the RAW either. Nothing in the RAW states that the DC's cannot be changed by the DM. In fact the RAW says that the DC's CAN be changed by the DM. It's funny, I've been collecting Dragon for the past year or so. In just about every issue, there is a new class or PrC or something for the players. And, in just about every issue, there is a caveat that anything in the magazine MUST be allowed by the DM before you can take it. I would say that's a pretty telling arguement that the rules actually support the DM, rather than the player. When the books flat out state that any material must be approved by the DM, then the player who insists that rule X must be used, has no leg to stand on. [/QUOTE]

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