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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 2593735" data-attributes="member: 5143">You are right, they don't run your game.&nbsp; You are well within your rights not to tell them the DCs.Still, from ther other side, as I've said earlier, if I'm not given enough detail about WHY I fail or why an enemy is changed, I feel like the DM is out to get me.When I do this to my party, I say &quot;Unlike other trolls you've encountered, this one seems unphased by the torch waved in front of it.&nbsp; When you touch it with the fire, it doesn't seem to even hurt it.&quot;I've seen DMs who just said &quot;It's a troll as far as you can tell&quot; then after about 10 rounds of using every fire spell we had on it and wondering why it wasn't dead yet said &quot;well, maybe you should try something other than fire and stop metagaming.&quot;I can well play within a world that doesn't work like my expectations of the world.&nbsp; I just need the DM to describe to me the whys of his world and make sure I know.&nbsp; If EVERYONE in his world knows that his trolls aren't killed by fire, I should know too.&nbsp; If it is rude to say hello to nobles without them addressing you first, I'd like to know before rather than after I embarrass myself.So, yes, as long as you give people the information they need, you don't need to give them the EXACT DC to accomplish things.&nbsp; I find giving them the DC often doesn't hurt anything and enables things to move quicker, but it's not required.&nbsp; I'll say &quot;Alright, you find a wall, if you'd like to climb it, it is about a DC 10, can you all make a DC 10 taking 10?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Good, you climb the wall and move onwards.&quot;&nbsp; Either that or &quot;Everyone make a DC 19 Fort save.&quot;&nbsp; I don't always do it either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 2593735, member: 5143"] You are right, they don't run your game. You are well within your rights not to tell them the DCs. Still, from ther other side, as I've said earlier, if I'm not given enough detail about WHY I fail or why an enemy is changed, I feel like the DM is out to get me. When I do this to my party, I say "Unlike other trolls you've encountered, this one seems unphased by the torch waved in front of it. When you touch it with the fire, it doesn't seem to even hurt it." I've seen DMs who just said "It's a troll as far as you can tell" then after about 10 rounds of using every fire spell we had on it and wondering why it wasn't dead yet said "well, maybe you should try something other than fire and stop metagaming." I can well play within a world that doesn't work like my expectations of the world. I just need the DM to describe to me the whys of his world and make sure I know. If EVERYONE in his world knows that his trolls aren't killed by fire, I should know too. If it is rude to say hello to nobles without them addressing you first, I'd like to know before rather than after I embarrass myself. So, yes, as long as you give people the information they need, you don't need to give them the EXACT DC to accomplish things. I find giving them the DC often doesn't hurt anything and enables things to move quicker, but it's not required. I'll say "Alright, you find a wall, if you'd like to climb it, it is about a DC 10, can you all make a DC 10 taking 10? Yes. Good, you climb the wall and move onwards." Either that or "Everyone make a DC 19 Fort save." I don't always do it either. [/QUOTE]

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