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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2596170" data-attributes="member: 22779">It also never says that a PC has to breath either.  Taking something to the extreme is not a logic answer.  The question was, can a mechanical trap have a DC higher than 25.  There is nothing in the rules which prevents it, so, yes, you can have a trap of higher than DC 25.  If there was a ceiling, the rules would state it.  3.5 rules have been very, very careful about this sort of thing.  The only way for a DC ceiling to exist would be for a DM to add rules.  If the DM doesn't add any rules, then there is no ceiling.  Since the rules do not specifically disallow love to exist, then it does.  That's actually very much in keeping with my original post.  Unless the rules specifically disallow or limit something, then there are no limits.   ((Heh, d02- Know no limits.))  You don't need to say that the higher DC's exist.  By not saying that they don't exist, the standard 3e assumption is that they do.Extrapolation and creating new rules are separate issues.  I can extrapolate from the rules that a DC 30 mechanical trap exists since mechanical traps of lower DC's exist in a progression.  However, no extrapolation of existing rules places a cap on those DC's.  To place that cap, I need to create a new rule which states that mechanical traps can only have DC's of X.  Although, to be fair, my original point should be ammended somewhat to read: The standard practice in 3.5 is that if something is not specifically limited by the rules, then no limitations exist.There is no theoretical cap to ability scores since the RAW does not place one.  There is no theoretical cap to levels (assuming epic rules are in play) since the rules do not have one.  If epic rules are not in play, then characters are limited to 20th level by the RAW.  No, I do not think I am overstating things when I say that the malfunctions around the gaming table frequently stem from poor rules understanding.  Pretty much every arguement, with some notable exceptions true, that I see in games come from one or both parties not having a solid grasp on mechanics.  This is really my biggest reason for playing 3e.  Now whenever a player starts questioning my decisions, 99% of the time I can take a look at the HTML SRD and cut and paste him the answer.  Poof, end of discussion.To me, that's precisely what rules should do.</blockquote>

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