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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 4697014" data-attributes="member: 80487">Sorry!I reckon the finding so soon of second-hand books might have made less of a difference to me. For all that I had played 3E but rarely, it might have been enough to warrant $30 or whatever for an up-to-date PHB.The question seems really significant in the context of DMs with a lot (not just of money but also of time and energy) already invested in 3E books on their shelves. Supposing it were like the shift from 3.0 to 3.5, how many engaged in that is probably a good indicator.(I bought new 3.5 core books in anticipation of getting more use from them than I actually have. I was never in the market for devoting several linear feet of shelf space to supplements that would have broken my back to carry to a game!)At least in my neighborhood, the availability of sessions in which to play seems greater with 4E than it was with 3E. The latter seemed to be something folks were much more willing to engage as character-players than as DMs (a supply-and-demand kind of problem). Because of that, I may already have gotten more "bang for buck" from 4E -- but I doubt that my experience is representative of the bigger D&D picture.The actual magnitude of  "money woes" at this juncture may be tricky to sort out from  the "what if" scenario.And for bibliographic violence, it's hard to beat harder than with the latest Hero System tome!</blockquote>