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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sinecure" data-source="post: 4272854" data-attributes="member: 37668">I've got a better game than either 3e or 4e.  It's called AD&D Second Edition and it rocks on toast.  Plus, I already own a ton of the books.  And those I don't own are really cheap.  Switching means spending over $100 on books that will get new versions next Summer.  And judging by the supplements aren't all that complete either (meaning the magic items need another book, most classes don't have enough powers or feats).  You really have to love 4E over everything else available to go over to it.I will buy some adventures, but this Keep on the Shadowfell was really, really bad.  It was a like one of the kid made adventures from the 80's.  It's like they really were aping Orc & Pie.  There's nothing else in it!  It's a few boring traps which are actually there for the fight scenes (and they do look like "scenes" now).  Everything about roleplaying was pretty slim in the dungeon and that pretty well sucked.  For $30, it's the biggest ripoff adventure I've bought in a long, long time.  It's stupid, but I know people say games "improve" over time.  Like they should revamp Chess or something.  But just a glance at the adventures they've put out for 4e proves this idea false.  The 3e introductory adventures were better than this drek.  Ugh.</blockquote>