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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 832883" data-attributes="member: 5">I agree.That's a ridiculous reason to change it.  He must have meant something else.  They'd have to remove all of the death spells, and anything else that put someone out of the action to justify it.  It's one round per caster level, psionics still work (don't they?) and spells with no components can be cast.  Once it gets up to the length of time where it might prove to be a serious problem, charatcers have access to dispels and such.I disagree.  That's like saying they should take something that works, break it, then fix it in a different way than they broke it.  If they feel a spell is incorrectly balanced, change it or move it, but not both.  It makes no sense to me to do both.Without going completely through the spell lists one spell at a time, I imagine that for Clerics (and Bards) they felt that a spell of that power warranted being easier to access.  HM is available to Clerics through the Law Domain and they should probably make it a fourth level cleric spell for the revised edition, to keep it on par with HP (Bards and Clerics one level earlier than Wiz/Sor).  Since Clerics can summon monsters, and get the spell through the Law Domain, surely they should be able to Hold the damned things regularly.I think you need to add some links to your sources on this because it makes no sense to me at all.</blockquote>