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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 4970123" data-attributes="member: 51930">[post=Ruminating on the topic; thinking, thinking...]The GM:  I think this is a big avenue for sales for 3pp.  I as the DM am the major input for stuff to my group.  I bought all this stuff and now I'm putting my players through the material.  I have a box of minis, I have shelves of books, I keep buying battle mats and dungeon tiles.  I even like the additional books for critters, tho I may eventually just build my own variations.   I like cheap, quality, quantity and usefulness: I just bought Bag o' Cthulhu because we'll be fighting Illithids soon, and I'm going to buy Bags o' Zombies and Skeletons, because I want a pile of generic baddies I can throw at my players when I don't feel like using a warforged and a hobgoblin to stand in for zombies (if that makes sense); and I don't want to buy expensive minis I have to gamble on getting.     My players, on the other hand, are a mixed bag.  One of them hates numbers, but has a lot of personal flair.  Another is a 2e dm who I pulled in.  a third loves 3rd ed and game-breaking (ergo 4e disturbs him; as in: what is this "role"playing I keep talking about).  Another is a long-time friend who has bought material but likely won't buy nearly as much as me (I have an addiction to this stuff).     Basically, I'm the cash cow for WOTC at this point.  Example: The Monster builder is going to be huge, but that's not an issue: if I get a monster book for 4e that I like, and could theoretically crunch the data into the MB and there it is.  I personally predict that they'll eventually allow me to take an MB creation and plop it onto a page alongside my written notes, so I can format my own modules; that would be huge for me.  As such, it would mean I'd be more inclined to get the 4e S&S scarred lands book (which looks great), or products like it, when I'm writing my own modules for my home group.     So that's why I'd buy a Monster Book 3pp.Minis:  like the bag o' zombies I mentioned, that sort of thing would be huge.  I can see a bag o' goblins, and a bag o' orcs, and a bag o' ogres going over great.  Heck, a "space trooper" would do for Storm Troopers in SWSE.  cheap, single-colored, and useful.  I don't want to collect minis the way some get Magic Cards.  I want my el cheapo army of too-many-orcs.  I want Helm's Deep!      the WOTC mini department is sadly lacking.  I can't afford to buy a pile of fancy individual minis.  I will for special stuff, or for larger monsters, but the generic bad guys I'll gladly sub in with generic minis (goblins, orcs, skeletons, and larger ogres, I guess; and space marines for storm troopers).Would the minis be profitable?  Maybe, I have no idea how this would play out, I just know what I'd jump on if I see it.Campaign Settings:   I guess.  The art would have to be evocative.  the 3e FRCS was just win.  Pathfinder CS is pretty good as 4e, Ironically.Maps:  dungeon tiles are handy.  I have a battle mat with grid and hexes.  I dunno.  A see-through mat would be nice, so I can put pictures beneath it (star maps, open sky, ship decks, etc.) when I need to.  I can make do for now, basically.    Maybe a way to design and print out my own minis-sized maps?</blockquote>

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