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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9230877" data-attributes="member: 23751">If you are claiming that it's unplayable as a general thing, yes you have to be wrong because I experienced otherwise.&nbsp; If you're just speaking for you, then I accept that it was unplayable for you.Not relevant.&nbsp; It was playable for me and literally several dozen others that I saw in my immediate games and know of several dozen more, so what happened before that doesn't matter.&nbsp; I've only met a few who think like you do.If you are talking epic levels, then sure.&nbsp; Lack of support(at least good support) was true.&nbsp; If you're talking 12-20th level, there was literally TONS of support. I thought you varied things up when you DM'd it.&nbsp; If you had, then that would not be an issue.And now we are back to correlation does not equal causation.&nbsp; Most games ended early because people moved, PCs died, life got busy, etc.And I can point out that the vocal minority is usually the voice most commonly heard, because the happy folks don't bother.&nbsp; I could also point out how the vast majority of players don't come to forums like this.You don't have an acceptable or unbiased sample.&nbsp; So sure, there were people who felt the game was unwieldy and who don't like game that are imbalanced. All of 3e was imbalanced by the way. Not just the higher levels.&nbsp; The existence of those people, though, still can't possibly make what you are claiming true.&nbsp; The existence of the great many of us for whom the game worked just fine up to level 20 disproves your claim as a general thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9230877, member: 23751"] If you are claiming that it's unplayable as a general thing, yes you have to be wrong because I experienced otherwise. If you're just speaking for you, then I accept that it was unplayable for you. Not relevant. It was playable for me and literally several dozen others that I saw in my immediate games and know of several dozen more, so what happened before that doesn't matter. I've only met a few who think like you do. If you are talking epic levels, then sure. Lack of support(at least good support) was true. If you're talking 12-20th level, there was literally TONS of support. I thought you varied things up when you DM'd it. If you had, then that would not be an issue. And now we are back to correlation does not equal causation. Most games ended early because people moved, PCs died, life got busy, etc. And I can point out that the vocal minority is usually the voice most commonly heard, because the happy folks don't bother. I could also point out how the vast majority of players don't come to forums like this. You don't have an acceptable or unbiased sample. So sure, there were people who felt the game was unwieldy and who don't like game that are imbalanced. All of 3e was imbalanced by the way. Not just the higher levels. The existence of those people, though, still can't possibly make what you are claiming true. The existence of the great many of us for whom the game worked just fine up to level 20 disproves your claim as a general thing. [/QUOTE]

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