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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9240838" data-attributes="member: 6877472">My poster child for unnecessary Feats, btw, I touched on, but didn't really explain in detail.&nbsp; Point-Blank Shot.Every ranged build, be it archer or even rays is going to want Precise Shot.&nbsp; The -4 penalty to attack someone engaged in melee is backbreaking at low levels even for a full BAB class.&nbsp; But, if you're not a Human or a Fighter, you have to wait til level 3 to get Precise Shot.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Are we saying only Fighters should engage in ranged combat?&nbsp; What about the Ranger, who gets Rapid Shot at level 2, but still has to wait til level 3 for Precise?And again, for the purposes of using range, Point-Blank Shot is really bad.&nbsp; Sure maybe if your ray spell only has 30' range anyways, or you're a Rogue trying to get off a ranged sneak attack, but if I have a short range of 100', the last thing I want to do is get 30' away for a +1 to hit and damage.&nbsp; Now I know what some people might be thinking &quot;well, in most encounters, you can't shoot from 100' away&quot;.&nbsp; And you're not wrong.&nbsp; So it is a nice bonus if you're stuck being that close.&nbsp; But given the option, I'd rather not, tyvm.And some people might say, &quot;well, this is a good thing, characters shouldn't be able to shoot into melee- get into melee like everyone else!&quot;.&nbsp; But the game unfortunately makes melee combat bad for anyone who doesn't have good Strength.&nbsp; Dexterity to damage is not something easily attainable in 3.5.&nbsp; Non Strength-based classes really don't want to be in melee since most of them have terrible AC and hit points.So something like Precise Shot being put out of the way for low level ranged characters is just terrible.&nbsp; And only letting a Fighter (or Fighter dip) let you get it at level 1 is kind of bonkers.&nbsp; You have a class with the best AC options and strong hit points being the best for sitting in the back and plinking away with a bow?**at least until until self-buffs or possibly the archery support Ranger spells in splatbooks enter the picture.In my games I just swapped Precise and Point-Blank Shot's position in the feat trees.&nbsp; And nobody ever took Point-Blank Shot for some reason.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9240838, member: 6877472"] My poster child for unnecessary Feats, btw, I touched on, but didn't really explain in detail. Point-Blank Shot. Every ranged build, be it archer or even rays is going to want Precise Shot. The -4 penalty to attack someone engaged in melee is backbreaking at low levels even for a full BAB class. But, if you're not a Human or a Fighter, you have to wait til level 3 to get Precise Shot. Why? Are we saying only Fighters should engage in ranged combat? What about the Ranger, who gets Rapid Shot at level 2, but still has to wait til level 3 for Precise? And again, for the purposes of using range, Point-Blank Shot is really bad. Sure maybe if your ray spell only has 30' range anyways, or you're a Rogue trying to get off a ranged sneak attack, but if I have a short range of 100', the last thing I want to do is get 30' away for a +1 to hit and damage. Now I know what some people might be thinking "well, in most encounters, you can't shoot from 100' away". And you're not wrong. So it is a nice bonus if you're stuck being that close. But given the option, I'd rather not, tyvm. And some people might say, "well, this is a good thing, characters shouldn't be able to shoot into melee- get into melee like everyone else!". But the game unfortunately makes melee combat bad for anyone who doesn't have good Strength. Dexterity to damage is not something easily attainable in 3.5. Non Strength-based classes really don't want to be in melee since most of them have terrible AC and hit points. So something like Precise Shot being put out of the way for low level ranged characters is just terrible. And only letting a Fighter (or Fighter dip) let you get it at level 1 is kind of bonkers. You have a class with the best AC options and strong hit points being the best for sitting in the back and plinking away with a bow?* *at least until until self-buffs or possibly the archery support Ranger spells in splatbooks enter the picture. In my games I just swapped Precise and Point-Blank Shot's position in the feat trees. And nobody ever took Point-Blank Shot for some reason. [/QUOTE]

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