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<blockquote data-quote="Rasyr" data-source="post: 2407431" data-attributes="member: 2855"><p>Nothing really, except that none of this new product would be allowed to use the d20 logo if that were pulled. According to the d20 STL, if the d20 STL were terminated (which is one of the possibilities for 4E) a company would have soemthing like 3 monthes to sell through its inventory, and then it would be required to hide or remove the d20 logo from its products.</p><p></p><p>However, there are already a number of companies who are preparing themselves for 4E, and are preparign themselves with the thought in mind that it is NOT going to be open for 3rd party products. Mongoose has their line of Pocketbooks, as well as diversifying into other lines and games. Other companies have their own versions of d20 that they can conintue on with ( C&C, M&M, True20, Arcana Evolved, Grimm (or is it Grim Tales - I can never remember), etc..). These folks are all ready to continue on unscathed if the worst happens and 4E comes out sooner rather than later...</p><p></p><p>Please note that WotC may not be the ones shooting themselves in the foot. It may happen because of pressures from Hasbro (you know, the company that sued a guy over a parody of a single card from the Monopoly game). A number of folks feel that Hasbro was responsible for 3.5 coming out 2 years earlier than planned. Some of these folks are concerned that it may happen again.</p><p></p><p>The entire d20 market is actually starting to fragment, as a number of companies begin doing their own flavor of d20. As they continue on, these fragmentations will eventually move further and further away from the core d20, and the gaming industry will be pretty much back where it was before the OGL (though with many based on d20). Of all the companies, I think that Mongoose is the only one (with the Pocketbook series) who has stayed right there with the core rules. </p><p></p><p>In fact, I would not be surprised if they have a version of the PPHB ready and waiting to go, a version that contains the rules not found in the SRD. This would, then make them the new WotC/TSR in regards to 3.5 as they would be the publisher of the core book that everybody would then be referring to (since, if 4E is closed, 3rd party publishers would no longer be able to point folks to the PHB). I suspect that this may happen even if 4E is open, as upgrading products would be prohibatively expensive. Then again, I also expect that Matt would never confirm this theory either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>It is just a matter of common business sense to be prepared, especially if you are playing with somebody else's toys. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rasyr, post: 2407431, member: 2855"] Nothing really, except that none of this new product would be allowed to use the d20 logo if that were pulled. According to the d20 STL, if the d20 STL were terminated (which is one of the possibilities for 4E) a company would have soemthing like 3 monthes to sell through its inventory, and then it would be required to hide or remove the d20 logo from its products. However, there are already a number of companies who are preparing themselves for 4E, and are preparign themselves with the thought in mind that it is NOT going to be open for 3rd party products. Mongoose has their line of Pocketbooks, as well as diversifying into other lines and games. Other companies have their own versions of d20 that they can conintue on with ( C&C, M&M, True20, Arcana Evolved, Grimm (or is it Grim Tales - I can never remember), etc..). These folks are all ready to continue on unscathed if the worst happens and 4E comes out sooner rather than later... Please note that WotC may not be the ones shooting themselves in the foot. It may happen because of pressures from Hasbro (you know, the company that sued a guy over a parody of a single card from the Monopoly game). A number of folks feel that Hasbro was responsible for 3.5 coming out 2 years earlier than planned. Some of these folks are concerned that it may happen again. The entire d20 market is actually starting to fragment, as a number of companies begin doing their own flavor of d20. As they continue on, these fragmentations will eventually move further and further away from the core d20, and the gaming industry will be pretty much back where it was before the OGL (though with many based on d20). Of all the companies, I think that Mongoose is the only one (with the Pocketbook series) who has stayed right there with the core rules. In fact, I would not be surprised if they have a version of the PPHB ready and waiting to go, a version that contains the rules not found in the SRD. This would, then make them the new WotC/TSR in regards to 3.5 as they would be the publisher of the core book that everybody would then be referring to (since, if 4E is closed, 3rd party publishers would no longer be able to point folks to the PHB). I suspect that this may happen even if 4E is open, as upgrading products would be prohibatively expensive. Then again, I also expect that Matt would never confirm this theory either. :D It is just a matter of common business sense to be prepared, especially if you are playing with somebody else's toys. :D [/QUOTE]
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