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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 9012702" data-attributes="member: 7019027">I don't know, is it? What value does that information bring? What are we supposed to do with that information? And if you really needed to know, wouldn't it be better to compare the OneD&D fighter with their subclass features vs without? Jumping from one edition to the next isn't a reliable way to know the power ratio between a class and subclass since subtle differences within the system could change a lot. We've barely seen monster designs so if the average AC or HP of monsters change then the whole comparison falls apart. If it was meant to allow featless games, it wouldn't be a feat itself. In fact, its inclusion means the opposite: that they're leaning heavily into the madatory nature of feats. But we're not comparing different classes in the same system, we're comparing the same class in different systems. We have to analyze in the context of these separate system. We can choose the same race but, for example, if the human in OneD&D gets darkvision but the 5e one doesn't, that's a perfectlt fine mode of comparison. But also, we're analyzing damage. No, but those feat choices are synergistic with the class features. A fighter has martial weapon proficiency, four extra attacks, and an option to crit with lower attack rolls. Some feats have synergy with just those three abilities, like the Charger or GWM feat. So while a wizard can take Charger, its important to realize the wizard probably isn't going to extract the benefits from it as much as a fighter would. But that's not your thesis and its not what the data supports. What you're saying is that everyone in the same system is getting a buff. Okay, cool. But what does that have to do with how much the fighter itself has increased in damage? Because we're looking at damage so far. Whether or not the wizard gets more utility or versatility in combat isn't part of the discussion. Plus, the information you're giving could be misleading. If you tell a player that the base fighter only has a 17% damage increase, they'll probably think that playing a fighter in OneD&D isn't going to change their damage noticeable. But in-play, they'd be doing about 50% more damage, which is counter-intuitive to what you're trying to say.</blockquote>

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