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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 9017689" data-attributes="member: 7019027">I'm sorry, but I have a hard time understanding how you have a fighter create a magic weapon and not be magical in their own right. That's like if the wizard cast a spell and the DM counterspelled and the wizard goes &quot;oh, no. I didn't cast a spell, I just used my knowledge of magic to create a magical effect, but I didn't cast magic.&quot; You might think its cool but it drains the tension out of the scene and you can't take the moment seriously anymore. It'd be like if you were watching an avengers movie and black widow stole the infinity gauntlet out of thanos' hands because she's &quot;the best spy in the world.&quot; But you really can't describe anything as being fantastical and keep the tone you're going for. No matter what, a serious campaign can't exist with goofy hijinks no matter how epic you try to make it sound. Okay, but I'm not talking about attacks. I'm talking about other uses for spell and martial features and there's plenty of room in the design space to give the martials the reliability without the skill check system, but even within the skill check system, there can be reliability. Heck, there's sparks of that right now in 5e. Did you know a Barbarian is guaranteed to be able to break manacles at high levels? Sure, it isn't as epic as even I'd want it to be, but the groundwork is there and we can build from it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 9017689, member: 7019027"] I'm sorry, but I have a hard time understanding how you have a fighter create a magic weapon and not be magical in their own right. That's like if the wizard cast a spell and the DM counterspelled and the wizard goes "oh, no. I didn't cast a spell, I just used my knowledge of magic to create a magical effect, but I didn't cast magic." You might think its cool but it drains the tension out of the scene and you can't take the moment seriously anymore. It'd be like if you were watching an avengers movie and black widow stole the infinity gauntlet out of thanos' hands because she's "the best spy in the world." But you really can't describe anything as being fantastical and keep the tone you're going for. No matter what, a serious campaign can't exist with goofy hijinks no matter how epic you try to make it sound. Okay, but I'm not talking about attacks. I'm talking about other uses for spell and martial features and there's plenty of room in the design space to give the martials the reliability without the skill check system, but even within the skill check system, there can be reliability. Heck, there's sparks of that right now in 5e. Did you know a Barbarian is guaranteed to be able to break manacles at high levels? Sure, it isn't as epic as even I'd want it to be, but the groundwork is there and we can build from it. [/QUOTE]

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